[13:46] Jago Constantine: Hey Eddi babe :) / Are you there, Fleche?
[13:47] Eddi Haskell: hi! / i am stifll rezzing
[13:47] Jago Constantine: Ok :) / So ... have you read any science fiction lately, Eddi? :)
[13:48] Fleche Xeno: I'm here. :)
[13:48] Eddi Haskell: okj / im not rezzed but its coming in / i have been reading quite a bit of alternative history
[13:49] Jago Constantine: Cool
[13:49] Eddi Haskell: there was an incident / not known to many / which almost set the USA and UK to war in the 1880s / in Venezueala / the orinico incident / there is a story / in What If part 2 / about wha would have happened / if a war erupted / a Virctorian was
[13:50] Jago Constantine: Hi, Eppie :)
[13:50] Eddi Haskell: a Victorian technology war / and rereading what i read / with some real steam punk implications
[13:50] Eppie Shoreman: hi
[13:50] Jago Constantine: What was the orinoco incident / and what is what if
[13:50] Eddi Haskell: What if part 2 / is the second novel / in a series about alternative history / there are about 5 / i had the book in front of me a few minutes ago / they came close. / but as everything else it cant find it now il get the author in a bit / mostly military / The orinico incident / was about oil / in the 1880s / the boundary between / British Guyana / and Venezuala / was not set firmly / The US backed Venuzuela / and there was almost war / the conclict was peacefully settled
[13:51] Jago Constantine: was this related to the monroe doctrine?
[13:51] Eddi Haskell: most in venezualeas favor / i think it was related more to oil / since british guyana was there already
[13:52] Jago Constantine: yeah
[13:52] Eddi Haskell: the monroe doctrine would not apply / the US wanted venezuala to win / but here is the rub / from the period 1865 - 1890 / more or less / the US disarmed / after the civil war / the US had no navy / or strong military / to speak of. / the us grew unsular / after such a vilent war / and did not start coming out as world power
[13:53] Jago Constantine: heh
[13:53] Eddi Haskell: until the 1890s / so / in this story
[13:53] Jago Constantine: the great white fleet
[13:53] Eddi Haskell: admiral thomas mahan / yes that started in the 1890s / I can remember btw as a kid / My great uncle ben who lived to be like 104 fought in the spanish american war in 1898 / or was he a grea great uncle i dont know / lol / so / there is war / the us has no navy to speak of / but it is an economic power / the British Battleship Resolution / the most advanced warship in the world / sails into New York harbour / the Statue of liberty has just been built by the French / the the destroy it / they destroy it / they also destroy the tallest structure in new york at the time / the 300 foot high spire of trinity church / its still there, its by the world trade center. / The americans surrendur / what can they do ?
[13:55] Jago Constantine: hmm that seems implausible
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: they cannot touch this british battleship / new york is the biggest cityin the us in 1880
[13:55] Fleche Xeno: wait for it to leave due to lack of supplies?
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: well / it can just sail to halifax and come back / takes two dayts / there is no american navy then / basically none
[13:55] Jago Constantine: hey the US should have backed britain anyway lol
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: and this is a huge advanced 12000 ton battleship
[13:55] Jago Constantine: they'd rather have British Venezuela than Hugo Chavez :P
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: the us and the uk were enemires then / lol / well the end of the story is / is anyone here french candadian? / well the guy is joking / the british get most of venezuela / and give the US quebec in trade / but
[13:56] Jago Constantine: lol
[13:56] Eddi Haskell: when it comes to sci fi / hey I LOVE montreal / they would ruin it as a state / lol / now / this is so similar to sci fi / an advanced technology / a massive ironclad battleship / that there is no / countermeasurrs fror / for / there WAS but the us did not have a decent navy in the 1880s
[13:57] Jago Constantine: well I think the similarity is more with Japan
[13:57] Eddi Haskell: there was the 32 largest in thew rold / yeah? / how
[13:57] Jago Constantine: Perry's black ship / ships
[13:57] Eddi Haskell: which sails into tokyo bay / in the 1850s / with commodore perry / and opens jagpan up / to trade / yeah / but
[13:58] Jago Constantine: oh we lost fleche and eppie
[13:58] Eddi Haskell: i ws thiking / see / i can go and on / jago
[13:58] Jago Constantine: lol maybe I should have stopped you / hi shera :)
[13:58] SheraGolden Infinity: Hello :)
[13:59] Eddi Haskell: hiya
[13:59] Jago Constantine: We're discussing sci fi novels if you're interested :) / go on eddi
[13:59] Eddi Haskell: Hi ya shera
[13:59] SheraGolden Infinity: :)
[13:59] Jago Constantine: do you read sci fi shera?
[13:59] Eddi Haskell: nice to meet you
[14:00] SheraGolden Infinity: I dont know that i have ever.
[14:00] Jago Constantine: hehe ok
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: well im boring / i just drove two people away LOL
[14:00] Jago Constantine: lol eddi
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: i did / i feel bad lol
[14:00] SheraGolden Infinity: I did take a crash course on supergirl this morning, does that count?
[14:00] Jago Constantine: maybe they left for other reasons during your talk
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: yes it does
[14:00] Jago Constantine: Is supergirl superman's sister?
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: can you tellus about it / you look hot in that outfit
[14:00] SheraGolden Infinity: TY :)
[14:00] Jago Constantine: lol and he's gay
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: uh
[14:00] SheraGolden Infinity: Well...
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: how do you know? / lol
[14:01] SheraGolden Infinity: They say i am from another planet
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: me too!
[14:01] Jago Constantine: yeah superman is so I guess supergirl would be
[14:01] SheraGolden Infinity: And that i am totaly innocent because my superpowers have insulated me from danger.
[14:01] Jago Constantine: I think there's a superdog too
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: have they dicussed where you are from?
[14:01] Jago Constantine: lol that sounds like a fetish ... a totally hot and innocent superbabe
[14:01] SheraGolden Infinity: kryptonia? / giggle
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: your father is joel?
[14:01] Jago Constantine: krypton?
[14:01] SheraGolden Infinity: yes the man who taught me was all about the fetish
[14:02] Jago Constantine: haha
[14:02] Eddi Haskell: jago looks like superman doesnt he? / i bought him a costume but he wont wear it
[14:02] Jago Constantine: hi, paolo :)
[14:02] SheraGolden Infinity: Eddi, have we met, your name is very familiar / ?
[14:02] Eddi Haskell: coulda / ive been around
[14:02] Jago Constantine: eddie haskell is a tv character
[14:02] SheraGolden Infinity: Oh
[14:02] Jago Constantine: eddi is named after him
[14:02] Eddi Haskell: oh yeah from leave it to beaver / let embarass him more / im a smart alec punk / on tv
[14:03] Jago Constantine: I don't have it anymore
[14:03] SheraGolden Infinity: Oh i saw the movie, with Janine Turner as the mother,
[14:03] Eddi Haskell: really there is a movie?
[14:03] SheraGolden Infinity: mmmhmmm
[14:03] Eddi Haskell: hi paola welcome / well for these meetings
[14:03] SheraGolden Infinity: wow its getting warm here
[14:03] Paolo Alfa: hello, sorry to be late
[14:03] Eddi Haskell: at home?
[14:03] SheraGolden Infinity: I was sitting in the fire
[14:04] Jago Constantine: Supergirl is superman's first cousin
[14:04] Eddi Haskell: oh i see
[14:04] Jago Constantine: thats ok paolo / we're discussing supergirl lol
[14:04] Eddi Haskell: i drove people away eariler
[14:04] SheraGolden Infinity: So.... no kissing with superman. I'm glad we cleared that up
[14:04] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:04] Jago Constantine: actually there's a funny piece by sci fi author larry niven about superman / Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex
[14:30] SheraGolden Infinity: These seats are rarely flattering for a girl wearing a skirt
[14:30] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:30] Jago Constantine: "Ejaculation of semen is entirely involuntary in the human male, and in all other forms of terrestrial life. It would be unreasonable to assume otherwise for a kryptonian. But with kryptonian muscles behind it, Kal-El's semen would emerge with the muzzle velocity of a machine gun bullet."
[14:30] Eddi Haskell: if you turn your ao off you will sit better
[14:31] SheraGolden Infinity: As long as my knees are toucj=hing it's okay.
[14:31] Jago Constantine: its about how it would be impossible for superman to have sex with an earth woman
[14:31] Eddi Haskell: yes but he would have control
[14:31] Jago Constantine: no he wouldn't
[14:31] Eddi Haskell: or maybe he would lack self control
[14:31] Jago Constantine: well unless he withdraws
[14:31] SheraGolden Infinity gasps
[14:32] Jago Constantine: then he wouldnt need control so much
[14:32] Eddi Haskell: have you read anythting abour sci fi paola (eddi hides his ears)
[14:32] Jago Constantine: here is that essay / http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html
[14:32] SheraGolden Infinity: I was recently reading about the mayan prophecy, that might be considered sci fi
[14:32] Eddi Haskell: is there any serious sci fi genre with superman / yes / that the world is over in 2012
[14:33] SheraGolden Infinity: yes that very one
[14:33] Eddi Haskell: do you beleive it?
[14:33] SheraGolden Infinity: Not really.
[14:33] Jago Constantine: no one really does / its like nostradamus / or horoscopes
[14:33] SheraGolden Infinity: And even if i did, so what?
[14:33] Jago Constantine: its fun to talk about
[14:33] Eddi Haskell: i do not beleive it / you know why?
[14:33] Jago Constantine: the good thing about the so-called mayan prophecy is
[14:33] SheraGolden Infinity: why? / yes?
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: well jago is speaking so
[14:34] Jago Constantine: that the world is ending and unlike the christian apocalypse there's nothing you can do about it / like you don't have to reform your life / you're not going to be punished or whatever
[14:34] SheraGolden Infinity: What of the islamic prophecy of the 12th Imam?
[14:34] Jago Constantine: so you have the fun of the end of the world with any obligation / without any / I don't know much about that prophecy shera
[14:34] SheraGolden Infinity: Fear of commitment anyone? ;)
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: i do not beleive iin prophecy and if I did it was not be mayan for one reason
[14:34] Jago Constantine: let me guess / they didn't predict the spanish
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: no / the reason is that committed human sacrifice
[14:35] SheraGolden Infinity giggles / eeuuwww
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: any culture that did this does not have knowledge of anything
[14:35] Jago Constantine: why would that negate their prophecy?
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: well
[14:35] Jago Constantine: thats an ad hominem argument
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: because i tihnk so
[14:35] Jago Constantine: I think my reason is better
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: because it is evil / well ok
[14:35] Jago Constantine: sure but evil people could theoretically make prophecies
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: sure / or someone from the future / came and told them
[14:35] SheraGolden Infinity: Aliens
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:36] Jago Constantine: yeah
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: i think time travel is possible / i think time can be done in either direction
[14:36] SheraGolden Infinity: That is a bold statement
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: iyes / yes / it all depends on what your perspective is / this sounds crazy / but there is something i cant get out of my head / the universe is expanding / faster / most poeple thought 50 years ago / the unvierse is slowing down as it expands / and at some point
[14:37] Paolo Alfa: the latest theories on time travel think it's a mental ability, not a technical thing
[14:37] Eddi Haskell: it will collapese / what is the latest theory?
[14:37] Jago Constantine: yeah now it will expand forever / faster and faster
[14:37] Eddi Haskell: it depends on your perspective / if you are vieing it from a reverse future / its coming back to one point / like it you were to make a movie / of the universe expanding
[14:38] Paolo Alfa: the one by Finney, "Time and Again"
[14:38] Eddi Haskell: if you run it in reverse its contracting / tima and again is a book?
[14:38] Jago Constantine: I think I read that one whats it about?
[14:38] SheraGolden Infinity: This is a lovely home.
[14:38] Eddi Haskell: its like a store
[14:38] SheraGolden Infinity: Nice
[14:39] Paolo Alfa: About a way of Time Travel by disciplined thinking
[14:39] Eddi Haskell: yeah / so what if you lived in a world / where all the projectors ran in reverse / where time ran in reverse / the universe was contracting as far as you were to lknow right? / here is the getchya / according to proponents of some modern physics / such a world exists / what if someone could travel to that world? / an alternative dimension / hence time travel
[14:40] Jago Constantine: hmm ok
[14:40] Eddi Haskell: and here is another gotcha / all that alternative world is / is another interprietation of the energy and matter and laws of physics of this one / what if a viewer can be consturcted
[14:41] Jago Constantine: hmm
[14:41] Eddi Haskell: the numbver one thing in physics today / is called string theory / that everything we see / is constucted of vibrating "strings" / perhaps 13 or 47 / they dont know / and it is how they interact with each otgher / that determines our existence / jago thinks im crazy when i talk this way lol / so
[14:42] SheraGolden Infinity: I'm confused
[14:42] Eddi Haskell: so is eveyrone else about string theory / that is why its theory / all matter / energy / time
[14:42] Jago Constantine: yeah me too / lol
[14:42] Eddi Haskell: everything is related / matter and energy are the same thing
[14:42] SheraGolden Infinity: That makes some sense
[14:43] Eddi Haskell: string theory is this / 13 - 47 "forces" / not energy / or strings / are the common base for eveyrthing / how they interact determines everything / as soon as they discover a part of something
[14:43] SheraGolden Infinity: Is it random?
[14:43] Eddi Haskell: a quark / yes and no / it is at the point where "string theory" / is the only thing you can get a postion in at a university in a phycsics deparement / i will be honest with you / i dont get it / i do know / if you take a movie projectro / and run it backwards / that is a time machine / it shows images going backwards in time
[14:44] Jago Constantine: hehe
[14:44] Eddi Haskell: taking that logic / why cant there be others?
[14:44] SheraGolden Infinity: I have a confession to make...
[14:44] Eddi Haskell: what
[14:44] SheraGolden Infinity: I am a time traveler
[14:44] Eddi Haskell: yes / how do you know? / tell us / i feel that way / sometimes
[14:45] SheraGolden Infinity: So far i can only travel forward in time and it takes 24 hours to move forward a single day... but it works
[14:45] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:45] SheraGolden Infinity: That was a joke ;)
[14:45] Eddi Haskell: hello lizz welcome
[14:45] SheraGolden Infinity: Say hello to me dear friend Lizzz
[14:45] Eddi Haskell: oh sometimes i think i am / hi lizz!
[14:45] Lizzz Gothly: hello all
[14:45] Jago Constantine: Hi, Lizzz :)
[14:45] Eddi Haskell: this is actually a cool meeting / i susually do ims
[14:45] Jago Constantine: we're discussing science fiction / well actually a whole range of things
[14:46] Lizzz Gothly: right
[14:46] Jago Constantine: So Paolo have you read any sci fi lately?
[14:46] SheraGolden Infinity: I think science fiction and real science get mixed up
[14:46] Paolo Alfa: I'm rereading Lord Valentines Castle
[14:46] Lizzz Gothly: anybody read and see "the time travellers wife"?
[14:47] Jago Constantine: Oh I haven't but I want to :)
[14:47] Eddi Haskell: its a movie?
[14:47] Jago Constantine: I love Lord Valentine's Castle
[14:47] Lizzz Gothly: a book firstly.. a move after that
[14:47] Jago Constantine: the later books get progressively less good though hehe
[14:47] Lizzz Gothly: movie / taps the microphone
[14:47] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:47] SheraGolden Infinity: :)
[14:47] Jago Constantine: so what is time travellers wife about?
[14:47] Lizzz Gothly: just testing
[14:47] Paolo Alfa: They always do
[14:47] Jago Constantine: apart from the obvious
[14:47] SheraGolden Infinity: Shhhhh Lizz is about to speak
[14:47] Lizzz Gothly: I wasn;t about to / but the time travellers wife is about.. time travle / in a rather chaotic state
[14:48] Jago Constantine: chaotic in what way?
[14:48] Lizzz Gothly: in that the travel is uncontrolled
[14:48] Jago Constantine: oh cool
[14:48] Lizzz Gothly: not only as to what time is travlled to but when it occurs too / however it is as much a romance as a sci fi
[14:48] Jago Constantine: wow / ok ... so that would put a strain on a marriage / :P
[14:49] Lizzz Gothly: a considerable one yes
[14:49] Jago Constantine: I suppose you recommend it if you've seen the movie and read the book?
[14:49] Lizzz Gothly: what about that quaint english film .. called "all about time travel"?
[14:49] Jago Constantine: I haven't seen that one
[14:49] Lizzz Gothly: yes I would / thats a comedy, romance and sci fi
[14:50] Eddi Haskell: ii like english movies
[14:50] Paolo Alfa: how does he travel, just randomly?
[14:50] SheraGolden Infinity: What a delightful combination
[14:50] Lizzz Gothly: so... do androids dream of electric sheep?
[14:50] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:50] SheraGolden Infinity: :)
[14:50] Jago Constantine: Ok folks it's 3pm and I have to log
[14:50] Lizzz Gothly: in the time travellers wife yes, he travels at random and his clothes etc cannot travel with him
[14:50] SheraGolden Infinity: awwwww :(
[14:50] Eddi Haskell: bye everyone
[14:50] Lizzz Gothly: Bye bye
[14:50] Eddi Haskell: ifyo come next week there may be a reading
[14:50] Jago Constantine: we meet here every week at 2pm saturday
[14:50] Lizzz Gothly: oh... ok
[14:50] Jago Constantine: yes next week we'll be listening to a recorded story / a podcast episode
[14:50] SheraGolden Infinity: It was nice meeting everyone :)
[14:51] Jago Constantine: nice to meet you two, too
[14:51] Eddi Haskell: nice meeting you too
[14:51] Paolo Alfa: thank you, nice meeting
[14:51] Lizzz Gothly: yes.. delighted
[14:51] Jago Constantine: cya next week paolo!
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Saturday, December 19, 2009
19 December 2009
[14:00] Jago Constantine: Hey, Melch
[14:00] Melch Savon: Hey Jago, Eddi, Claire
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: hiya melch and claire
[14:00] Melch Savon: Don't mind me -- I'm in rezz
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: me too
[14:00] Jago Constantine: Claire / ?
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: dunno / i went along with it
[14:01] Melch Savon: She's on my HUD ... / Oh, 60m away. Sorry
[14:01] Garym Gartner: Hello.
[14:01] Jago Constantine: Hey Gary, welcome to Science Fiction Saturday :)
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: hi GG
[14:02] Jago Constantine: You're a filk fan, that's cool
[14:02] Garym Gartner: Jago, are you associated with Aussiecon?
[14:03] Jago Constantine: No, I'm not
[14:03] Melch Savon: Hello garym
[14:04] Garym Gartner: Ah, well. I was asked if I could recommend anyone to run filk for them ... no luck so far anyway.
[14:04] Jago Constantine: Ok, well maybe its just the four of us today / This is the last meeting for the year ... I'm away over Christmas / Anyway, Gary, being new, I'll explain the meeting format / Basically we usually go around the group, and each talk about what we've been reading since the last meeting / Although recently I've made every second meeting a podcast one, where we listen to a sci fi story as a group
[14:06] Garym Gartner: One moment ... need to get oven
[14:06] Jago Constantine: Sure / Hi, McDaniel!
[14:07] McDaniel Sixpence: hi Jago
[14:07] Jago Constantine: Cool avatar
[14:07] McDaniel Sixpence: ty
[14:07] Eddi Haskell: if you have lag reduce your particles to 0 in graphics
[14:07] Melch Savon: Sorry, I am in a crash cycle. If I crash again I won't bother coming back
[14:07] Jago Constantine: Sure its ok :)
[14:08] Eddi Haskell: melch cut your particles to 0
[14:08] Garym Gartner: I'm back
[14:08] Eddi Haskell: that is why you crash
[14:08] Melch Savon: Will give it a try
[14:08] Jago Constantine: Anyway since the last meeting I read an alternate history - 1632 by Eric Flint
[14:08] Garym Gartner: I've read that.
[14:09] Jago Constantine: It's an alternate history crossed with time travel I suppose
[14:09] Melch Savon: Ring of Fire, right?
[14:09] Jago Constantine: yes, that's it / an average american town is transplanted into the middle of the thirty years' war
[14:10] Eddi Haskell: they prolly bitch about the lack of deoderants
[14:10] Jago Constantine: it reminded me a lot of A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court
[14:10] Garym Gartner: But they had more long-term success than the Yankee.
[14:10] Jago Constantine: Yes, well the author is probably less cynical than Mark Twain :) / I liked it, although it probably isn't the most plausible outcome for such a temporal displacement / they do manage to survive and thrive through the novel
[14:11] Garym Gartner: It does deal with the problems realistically, at least.
[14:12] Jago Constantine: yes, but it was lucky they were a town with their own power plant and coal mine :P
[14:13] Jago Constantine: Hi, Gaspar :)
[14:13] gaspar Violet: hello
[14:13] Eddi Haskell: i made candles im giving to everyone
[14:13] gaspar Violet: sorry
[14:13] Garym Gartner: Thanks, Eddi
[14:13] gaspar Violet: i'm french, and new
[14:13] Garym Gartner: I'm new here too, gaspar
[14:13] McDaniel Sixpence: ty eddie
[14:14] Eddi Haskell: well welcome ya'all
[14:14] Jago Constantine: Welcome to second life, gaspar
[14:14] gaspar Violet: thank you
[14:14] Jago Constantine: this is a science fiction discussion group, feel free to take a seat :)
[14:14] Garym Gartner: There's an authorized fanfic zine for the 1632 world. A friend of mine writes for it.
[14:14] Jago Constantine: oh that's cool
[14:15] Garym Gartner: The Grantville Gazette, I think it's called.
[14:15] gaspar Violet: you talk with voice ?
[14:15] Jago Constantine: no, we do the meeting in local chat
[14:15] gaspar Violet: ok
[14:16] Jago Constantine: I thought it was alright as an alternate history, but I'm not going to rush to read the sequel
[14:16] Jago Constantine: Hi, Rhiannon :)
[14:16] Rhiannon Dragoone: hi, jago! / Sorry i'm late
[14:16] Jago Constantine: For anyone new who's waiting for Rhiannon's clothes to rez, she's a nudist lol
[14:16] Garym Gartner: Nice outfit. :)
[14:16] Rhiannon Dragoone smiles at Jago
[14:16] Melch Savon: Eric Flint is a McDonalds writer -- filling, but not gourmet. He always satisfies but I don't know if he's ever blown me away
[14:16] Rhiannon Dragoone: Garym, thank you!
[14:17] Melch Savon: Proflific as all get out though
[14:17] Jago Constantine: This was the first Eric Flint novel I've read
[14:17] Rhiannon Dragoone: Jago, which one was it?
[14:17] Jago Constantine: 1632, about an american town transported to the 30 years' war
[14:18] Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, wow, i've been meaning to read that.
[14:18] Jago Constantine: it's available for free online at the Baen Free Library
[14:18] Rhiannon Dragoone: i'll jot that down. ty
[14:19] Jago Constantine: http://www.baen.com/library/
[14:19] Jago Constantine: Ok - Eddi, did you read any sci fi since the last meeting?
[14:19] Eddi Haskell: i read a book called the year million / or most of it / that you turned me on to
[14:20] Jago Constantine: How did you like it?
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: it is an academic treatice
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: i liked it but some of the equations were hard for me
[14:20] Garym Gartner: Who's it by?
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: all these authors
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: like each one has a section
[14:20] Jago Constantine: Edited by Damien Broderick
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: i was particulary interested in one thing / since the universe is now expanding / rather, then as einstein thought / contraacting after a big bang
[14:21] Garym Gartner: Are you sure that's what Einstein thought?
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: what does that mean for potentional time travel? / mmmmmmm / no / i think he thought that but im not sure / but
[14:22] Rhiannon Dragoone: Eddi, a time traveller would experience the universe's expansion in reverse
[14:22] Eddi Haskell: mmmmmmmm / yeah thats right / so
[14:22] Rhiannon Dragoone: The big crunch
[14:22] Eddi Haskell: very good / so if time is essentially a matter of a point of view / depending on which spectrum you take as your past and wich as your forward / the universe to you would be contracting / now one thing about this book / well lots of things were interesting / the relevance of finding the matermatical formula to predict primes
[14:23] Jago Constantine: actually, einstein did introduce his "cosmological constant" to achieve a static universe ... in order to prevent it from contracting
[14:23] Eddi Haskell: what is that jago
[14:24] Garym Gartner: Fancy language for "fudge factor" :)
[14:24] Jago Constantine: oh its a famous fudge factor
[14:24] Jago Constantine: exactly
[14:24] Jago Constantine: he made up this thing to get the result he wanted
[14:24] Eddi Haskell: so how does it fudge / mmmm
[14:24] Jago Constantine: and called it the cosmological constant, or that's what its known as
[14:25] Garym Gartner: It has to do with how strongly the universe holds itself together, I think.
[14:25] Eddi Haskell: mmmm
[14:25] Rhiannon Dragoone: Jago, but that was a hypothetical
[14:25] Jago Constantine: because he was perhaps philosophically opposed to the idea of a contracting universe
[14:25] Jago Constantine: or maybe a dynamic universe - one that expands or contracts
[14:25] Eddi Haskell: mmmm why does the universe have to expand to infinity just because it is expanding now?
[14:25] Garym Gartner: More that the universe was observed to be expanding, but shouldn't have been by his theory.
[14:26] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:26] Rhiannon Dragoone: Garym, that's right and with gravity a tenth of what is necessry to hold the universe together...
[14:26] Jago Constantine: yes, observation proved him wrong and he greatly regretted it
[14:26] Eddi Haskell: does that mean gravity can or cannot hold it together
[14:26] Rhiannon Dragoone: Eddi, it means we have a descrepency we have to explain
[14:26] Eddi Haskell: or the strong force which we assume / but
[14:26] Garym Gartner: Eddi: That's the key question, whether the universe wi ll expand forever or start contracting
[14:26] Rhiannon Dragoone: String theory does it by saying gravity's force leaches in other dimensions.
[14:26] Rhiannon Dragoone: Then there is dark matter
[14:27] Eddi Haskell: mmmm / i thight string theory was all about proving the relationship between difference obeservable forces / and unobservable but theoretic ones
[14:27] Rhiannon Dragoone: Eddi, its all about unification--of relativity and quantum mechanics
[14:28] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:28] Rhiannon Dragoone: its the Unified Field Theory than Einstein dreamed of
[14:28] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:28] Jago Constantine: I thought it was pretty clear that the universe will expand forever
[14:28] Rhiannon Dragoone: Jago, not if gravity is ten times greater
[14:28] Garym Gartner: I think that's the consensus view right now.
[14:28] Rhiannon Dragoone: or there is ten times the matter
[14:28] Eddi Haskell: mmmm but how can you prove that with an equation
[14:28] Rhiannon Dragoone: then it could contract, like a yo-yo
[14:29] Garym Gartner: In fact, wasn't it recently shown that the expansion of the universe is accelerating?
[14:29] Eddi Haskell: yes in the past 10 years / it is shown
[14:29] Rhiannon Dragoone: Garym, no ur thinking of my carberator.
[14:29] Eddi Haskell: that is what this chapter is about
[14:29] Jago Constantine: The Universe will expand for ever, at an ever-increasing rate, Nasa scientists have announced.
They base their conclusion on new data obtained by the Microwave Anisotropy Probe (Map) satellite, which has been orbiting the Sun beyond the Moon since shortly after its launch in 2001.
[14:29] Jago Constantine: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2748653.stm
[14:29] Rhiannon Dragoone: Jago, i've read that
[14:29] Eddi Haskell: mmmm today they think that
[14:29] Rhiannon Dragoone: it depends on whether string theory is true or dark matter
[14:30] Garym Gartner: Which leaves the question, what's pushing it apart?
[14:30] Rhiannon Dragoone: so all that can change
[14:30] Jago Constantine: the cosmological constant ;)
[14:30] Garym Gartner: Bingo.
[14:30] Rhiannon Dragoone: jago LOL
[14:31] Eddi Haskell: and i have also been reading about the fall of the whitlam government in australia in 1975 which is more unbelivable then time travel
[14:31] Eddi Haskell: but it happened
[14:31] Jago Constantine: lol Eddi
[14:31] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:31] Rhiannon Dragoone: Eddi, no clue wht ur talking about / i'm just a dumb blond from no. america
[14:31] Jago Constantine: I'm Australian ... / The elected govermnent in 1975 was dismissed by the Governor General, the Queen's representative
[14:32] Rhiannon Dragoone: Sorry, really to be so ignorant, Jago, and Eddi
[14:32] Jago Constantine: It was Australia's major constitutional crisis
[14:32] Rhiannon Dragoone: Oh, is that the one where the Governor General overruled the people's vote?
[14:32] Eddi Haskell: yeah
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Yes, kind of
[14:32] Rhiannon Dragoone: okay, don't feel so stupid now
[14:33] Jago Constantine: There was a huge outcry, and then the population went ahead and voted for the guy the GG appointed anyway lol
[14:33] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, i heard that.
[14:33] Eddi Haskell: oh and yesterday desmond shang gave me a tour of caledon in blue mars
[14:33] Rhiannon Dragoone: i think a GG is a good idea but shouldn't it be elected? / i mean, there is the history of the monarchy, etc. / For sure
[14:33] Eddi Haskell: noah cause it will hav pwer then / its a ceremonial post
[14:33] Melch Savon: Oh, how was Blue Mars? No mac or linux client, and I haven't booted up windows to see it yet
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: well
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: you can use mac, bootcamp
[14:34] Jago Constantine: Hi, Ugene, Fuschia, welcome to science fiction saturday
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: im gonna have a gallery there, ive done four movies / its amazing
[14:34] Ugene Ogrimund: what's going on here?
[14:34] Fuschia Nightfire: hi jago
[14:34] Jago Constantine: we're just discussing blue mars
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: you just walk around and look at cool builsings
[14:34] Jago Constantine: not the novel - the virtual world
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: i have posters i made ill rez if you want them
[14:34] Garym Gartner: Ah, thanks, I was confused on that.
[14:35] Melch Savon: Naw, I'll check it out myself when I have time. Just wanted you to say ts worth my time is all.
[14:35] Jago Constantine: I plan to check it out next year / Anyway, Melch - have you read any novels lately? / or any sci fi
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: let me know if you want them i made three posters
[14:36] Melch Savon: Since I last came I think I have rediscovered all of the Vorkosigan books by Bujold
[14:37] Jago Constantine: Hmm ... I never got into those
[14:37] Melch Savon: Nice read. Everyone likes the underdog
[14:37] Jago Constantine: or anything by bujold actually
[14:37] Garym Gartner: I've read some of hers. Pleasant, but didn't make me wildly enthusiastic the way it does for many people.
[14:37] Melch Savon: They were up my ally. No need to strain my brain (I have work for that) but interesting enough to be engaging
[14:38] Jago Constantine: ok, so how many books are there?
[14:38] Rhiannon Dragoone: Melch tell us a little about these books. I'm always interested in a new series
[14:38] Melch Savon: 6? 7?
[14:38] Garym Gartner: More than that.
[14:38] Jago Constantine: wow lol
[14:38] Melch Savon: It all revolves around Miles Vorkosigan. Its a space adventure, and hes from a slightly backwards planet where all mutations are killed at birth.
[14:39] Melch Savon: Well, there carriers are
[14:39] Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, ho, i love a good space opera
[14:39] Melch Savon: He looks like a dwarf mutant due to some post-birth trauma, so everyone on his planet finds him disgusting. Most do at least
[14:39] Jago Constantine: so they're basically spartans?
[14:39] Melch Savon: Yet because his father is regent he works his way into intelligence, and becomes admirals of a mercenary fleet / They would be if Bujold went to the extreme, yes / It's all about Miles struggle to be accepted at home while leading a secret life where he is a crippled James Bond in space / Not a horribly boring concept really. The secondary characters tend to be well done as well
[14:41] Ugene Ogrimund: ahhhhhhhhhhh. how the fuck do i get out of here????
[14:41] Avatar ejected.
[14:41] Jago Constantine: I eject you that's how :P
[14:41] Garym Gartner: Whatever works. :)
[14:41] Jago Constantine: nudity is ok ... erections aren't
[14:41] Rhiannon Dragoone: Melch, it sunds like a good read
[14:42] Melch Savon: It is. Not too deep, but enough to keep your interest
[14:42] Rhiannon Dragoone: no, erections are sexual behavior. / Did you eject him?
[14:42] Melch Savon: The Kindle has been very expensive for me. Every book I finished, I had the next in 3 minutes. Read the series straight through
[14:42] Rhiannon Dragoone: I hope
[14:42] Jago Constantine: haha
[14:42] Rhiannon Dragoone: Didn't see him, thank god!
[14:42] Jago Constantine: its like me with itunes / with tv episodes
[14:43] Melch Savon: Jago ... I have that problem too, though not as bad there
[14:43] Jago Constantine: I have just been watching Glee and loving it :)
[14:43] Jago Constantine: Anyway thanks Melch - Rhiannon, have you read any sci fi?
[14:45] Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, no Jago. i'm still thinking though of the Ipod broadcast. / The idea of looking at plant intelligence or clone intelligence
[14:45] Jago Constantine: ok ... last week we listened to a podcast about an intelligent plant and a clone :)
[14:45] Rhiannon Dragoone: And i'm still reminded of Oscar, the intelligent plant, from, i think the STanly Weinbaum story--from the golden age
[14:46] Jago Constantine: Little Shop of Horrors
[14:46] Jago Constantine: :P
[14:46] Jago Constantine: Oh that was Audrey
[14:46] Garym Gartner: Was that the Martian Odyssey or something like that?
[14:46] Rhiannon Dragoone: not that was Bradburry / But Audrey is typical, the story i'm thinking of was unique / in that the plant really was a plant. / Took in oxygen, spewed out carbon dioxide, absorbed minearls, the whole bit / So how would such a creature think? / that's what the story was all about
[14:49] Jago Constantine: The Lotus Eaters / was that the story? / I just googled it / the plant creatures have no survival instinct
[14:50] Rhiannon Dragoone: Yes, I think it was
[14:50] Rhiannon Dragoone: that's right, they just exist.
[14:50] Jago Constantine: hmm I'll check it out if I get a chance
[14:50] Rhiannon Dragoone: and our hero, a human, had a hard time comprehending there thinking
[14:50] Rhiannon Dragoone: *their
[14:50] Jago Constantine: I bet / Ok ... Gary - would you like to talk about some sci fi you've read lately?
[14:50] Rhiannon Dragoone: i think i will re-read it. Thanks for finding the cite, Jago
[14:51] Garym Gartner: Well, just today I got a surprise in the mail from a friend...
[14:51] Garym Gartner: Five stories by classic SF authors, translated into German. But I haven't started on that yet.
[14:51] Garym Gartner: Last month I re-read Niven and Pournelle's "Inferno."
[14:51] Rhiannon Dragoone: kewl
[14:52] Garym Gartner: It's a science-fictional version of Dante's Inferno, with Mussolini instead of Virgil as the guide.
[14:52] Jago Constantine: oh cool
[14:52] Rhiannon Dragoone: all right. Now, that's an awesome concept
[14:52] Jago Constantine: hmm is there supposed to be some correspondence between virgil and mussolini?
[14:52] Rhiannon Dragoone: they're both Italians
[14:53] Garym Gartner: Only that they're both Italian, as far as I can see.
[14:53] Garym Gartner: But Mussolini was expiating the bad things he'd done in life by guiding people through Hell.
[14:53] Rhiannon Dragoone: Maybe Mussolini was a frustrated poet.
[14:53] Garym Gartner: The main character is a science fiction author who died stupidly at a con.
[14:53] Jago Constantine: hmm ok ... in the original virgil is a virtuous pagan
[14:54] Rhiannon Dragoone: is there any other way to die at a con but stupidly?
[14:54] Garym Gartner: Unfortuantely, yes.
[14:54] Rhiannon Dragoone: i know. just kidding
[14:55] Garym Gartner: I chaired a con this year where one of the guests died before it.
[14:55] Rhiannon Dragoone: how horrible for you.
[14:55] Rhiannon Dragoone: I retract my joke, then.
[14:55] Garym Gartner: No offense taken.
[14:55] Rhiannon Dragoone smiles
[14:56] Eddi Haskell: its over my head but most stuff like this is.
[14:56] Garym Gartner: ANyway , it's got some nice parallels with Dante. The setup of Hell is mostly the same.
[14:56] Jago Constantine: Cool
[14:56] Jago Constantine: I was reading about another sci fi treatment of hell by ... hmm what's his name
[14:57] Eddi Haskell: dick cheney
[14:57] Garym Gartner: The "Heroes in Hell" series, perhaps?
[14:57] Rhiannon Dragoone: another good book to add to my reading list
[14:57] Jago Constantine: Hal Duncan
[14:57] Rhiannon Dragoone: ROTF
[14:57] Jago Constantine: It's called Escape from Hell
[14:58] Rhiannon Dragoone: thanks, Eddi
[14:58] Jago Constantine: It sounded interesting
[14:58] Eddi Haskell: your welcome!
[14:58] Jago Constantine: It's like escape from new york
[14:58] Jago Constantine: I gather that Hell is like new york in the novel ... except with a statue of Justice instead of Liberty :P
[14:59] Rhiannon Dragoone: Jago, i can't tell the dif between NY and Hell either
[14:59] Jago Constantine: "A hitman, a hooker, a homosexual and a hobo make the ultimate prison break"
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Anyway, it sounded like a fun concept, but perhaps a little forced
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Ok, thanks for coming folks
[15:01] Jago Constantine: I'll send out a group notice for the next meeting, which will be in January
[15:01] Garym Gartner: Thanks for hosting!
[15:01] Rhiannon Dragoone: Great, Jago
[15:01] Rhiannon Dragoone: U did a good job of hosting, as usual
[15:01] Eddi Haskell: merry xmas everyone
[15:02] Garym Gartner: This was good, I'll want to come back again.
[15:02] Rhiannon Dragoone: Merry Christmas everyone!
[15:02] Jago Constantine: Thanks for joining the group, gary - bring friends :)
[15:02] Melch Savon: Bye all -- see you next year
[15:02] Jago Constantine: And best wishes for Christmas and the New Year to you all :)
[15:02] Eddi Haskell: cu mitch !
[14:00] Melch Savon: Hey Jago, Eddi, Claire
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: hiya melch and claire
[14:00] Melch Savon: Don't mind me -- I'm in rezz
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: me too
[14:00] Jago Constantine: Claire / ?
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: dunno / i went along with it
[14:01] Melch Savon: She's on my HUD ... / Oh, 60m away. Sorry
[14:01] Garym Gartner: Hello.
[14:01] Jago Constantine: Hey Gary, welcome to Science Fiction Saturday :)
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: hi GG
[14:02] Jago Constantine: You're a filk fan, that's cool
[14:02] Garym Gartner: Jago, are you associated with Aussiecon?
[14:03] Jago Constantine: No, I'm not
[14:03] Melch Savon: Hello garym
[14:04] Garym Gartner: Ah, well. I was asked if I could recommend anyone to run filk for them ... no luck so far anyway.
[14:04] Jago Constantine: Ok, well maybe its just the four of us today / This is the last meeting for the year ... I'm away over Christmas / Anyway, Gary, being new, I'll explain the meeting format / Basically we usually go around the group, and each talk about what we've been reading since the last meeting / Although recently I've made every second meeting a podcast one, where we listen to a sci fi story as a group
[14:06] Garym Gartner: One moment ... need to get oven
[14:06] Jago Constantine: Sure / Hi, McDaniel!
[14:07] McDaniel Sixpence: hi Jago
[14:07] Jago Constantine: Cool avatar
[14:07] McDaniel Sixpence: ty
[14:07] Eddi Haskell: if you have lag reduce your particles to 0 in graphics
[14:07] Melch Savon: Sorry, I am in a crash cycle. If I crash again I won't bother coming back
[14:07] Jago Constantine: Sure its ok :)
[14:08] Eddi Haskell: melch cut your particles to 0
[14:08] Garym Gartner: I'm back
[14:08] Eddi Haskell: that is why you crash
[14:08] Melch Savon: Will give it a try
[14:08] Jago Constantine: Anyway since the last meeting I read an alternate history - 1632 by Eric Flint
[14:08] Garym Gartner: I've read that.
[14:09] Jago Constantine: It's an alternate history crossed with time travel I suppose
[14:09] Melch Savon: Ring of Fire, right?
[14:09] Jago Constantine: yes, that's it / an average american town is transplanted into the middle of the thirty years' war
[14:10] Eddi Haskell: they prolly bitch about the lack of deoderants
[14:10] Jago Constantine: it reminded me a lot of A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court
[14:10] Garym Gartner: But they had more long-term success than the Yankee.
[14:10] Jago Constantine: Yes, well the author is probably less cynical than Mark Twain :) / I liked it, although it probably isn't the most plausible outcome for such a temporal displacement / they do manage to survive and thrive through the novel
[14:11] Garym Gartner: It does deal with the problems realistically, at least.
[14:12] Jago Constantine: yes, but it was lucky they were a town with their own power plant and coal mine :P
[14:13] Jago Constantine: Hi, Gaspar :)
[14:13] gaspar Violet: hello
[14:13] Eddi Haskell: i made candles im giving to everyone
[14:13] gaspar Violet: sorry
[14:13] Garym Gartner: Thanks, Eddi
[14:13] gaspar Violet: i'm french, and new
[14:13] Garym Gartner: I'm new here too, gaspar
[14:13] McDaniel Sixpence: ty eddie
[14:14] Eddi Haskell: well welcome ya'all
[14:14] Jago Constantine: Welcome to second life, gaspar
[14:14] gaspar Violet: thank you
[14:14] Jago Constantine: this is a science fiction discussion group, feel free to take a seat :)
[14:14] Garym Gartner: There's an authorized fanfic zine for the 1632 world. A friend of mine writes for it.
[14:14] Jago Constantine: oh that's cool
[14:15] Garym Gartner: The Grantville Gazette, I think it's called.
[14:15] gaspar Violet: you talk with voice ?
[14:15] Jago Constantine: no, we do the meeting in local chat
[14:15] gaspar Violet: ok
[14:16] Jago Constantine: I thought it was alright as an alternate history, but I'm not going to rush to read the sequel
[14:16] Jago Constantine: Hi, Rhiannon :)
[14:16] Rhiannon Dragoone: hi, jago! / Sorry i'm late
[14:16] Jago Constantine: For anyone new who's waiting for Rhiannon's clothes to rez, she's a nudist lol
[14:16] Garym Gartner: Nice outfit. :)
[14:16] Rhiannon Dragoone smiles at Jago
[14:16] Melch Savon: Eric Flint is a McDonalds writer -- filling, but not gourmet. He always satisfies but I don't know if he's ever blown me away
[14:16] Rhiannon Dragoone: Garym, thank you!
[14:17] Melch Savon: Proflific as all get out though
[14:17] Jago Constantine: This was the first Eric Flint novel I've read
[14:17] Rhiannon Dragoone: Jago, which one was it?
[14:17] Jago Constantine: 1632, about an american town transported to the 30 years' war
[14:18] Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, wow, i've been meaning to read that.
[14:18] Jago Constantine: it's available for free online at the Baen Free Library
[14:18] Rhiannon Dragoone: i'll jot that down. ty
[14:19] Jago Constantine: http://www.baen.com/library/
[14:19] Jago Constantine: Ok - Eddi, did you read any sci fi since the last meeting?
[14:19] Eddi Haskell: i read a book called the year million / or most of it / that you turned me on to
[14:20] Jago Constantine: How did you like it?
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: it is an academic treatice
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: i liked it but some of the equations were hard for me
[14:20] Garym Gartner: Who's it by?
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: all these authors
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: like each one has a section
[14:20] Jago Constantine: Edited by Damien Broderick
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: i was particulary interested in one thing / since the universe is now expanding / rather, then as einstein thought / contraacting after a big bang
[14:21] Garym Gartner: Are you sure that's what Einstein thought?
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: what does that mean for potentional time travel? / mmmmmmm / no / i think he thought that but im not sure / but
[14:22] Rhiannon Dragoone: Eddi, a time traveller would experience the universe's expansion in reverse
[14:22] Eddi Haskell: mmmmmmmm / yeah thats right / so
[14:22] Rhiannon Dragoone: The big crunch
[14:22] Eddi Haskell: very good / so if time is essentially a matter of a point of view / depending on which spectrum you take as your past and wich as your forward / the universe to you would be contracting / now one thing about this book / well lots of things were interesting / the relevance of finding the matermatical formula to predict primes
[14:23] Jago Constantine: actually, einstein did introduce his "cosmological constant" to achieve a static universe ... in order to prevent it from contracting
[14:23] Eddi Haskell: what is that jago
[14:24] Garym Gartner: Fancy language for "fudge factor" :)
[14:24] Jago Constantine: oh its a famous fudge factor
[14:24] Jago Constantine: exactly
[14:24] Jago Constantine: he made up this thing to get the result he wanted
[14:24] Eddi Haskell: so how does it fudge / mmmm
[14:24] Jago Constantine: and called it the cosmological constant, or that's what its known as
[14:25] Garym Gartner: It has to do with how strongly the universe holds itself together, I think.
[14:25] Eddi Haskell: mmmm
[14:25] Rhiannon Dragoone: Jago, but that was a hypothetical
[14:25] Jago Constantine: because he was perhaps philosophically opposed to the idea of a contracting universe
[14:25] Jago Constantine: or maybe a dynamic universe - one that expands or contracts
[14:25] Eddi Haskell: mmmm why does the universe have to expand to infinity just because it is expanding now?
[14:25] Garym Gartner: More that the universe was observed to be expanding, but shouldn't have been by his theory.
[14:26] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:26] Rhiannon Dragoone: Garym, that's right and with gravity a tenth of what is necessry to hold the universe together...
[14:26] Jago Constantine: yes, observation proved him wrong and he greatly regretted it
[14:26] Eddi Haskell: does that mean gravity can or cannot hold it together
[14:26] Rhiannon Dragoone: Eddi, it means we have a descrepency we have to explain
[14:26] Eddi Haskell: or the strong force which we assume / but
[14:26] Garym Gartner: Eddi: That's the key question, whether the universe wi ll expand forever or start contracting
[14:26] Rhiannon Dragoone: String theory does it by saying gravity's force leaches in other dimensions.
[14:26] Rhiannon Dragoone: Then there is dark matter
[14:27] Eddi Haskell: mmmm / i thight string theory was all about proving the relationship between difference obeservable forces / and unobservable but theoretic ones
[14:27] Rhiannon Dragoone: Eddi, its all about unification--of relativity and quantum mechanics
[14:28] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:28] Rhiannon Dragoone: its the Unified Field Theory than Einstein dreamed of
[14:28] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:28] Jago Constantine: I thought it was pretty clear that the universe will expand forever
[14:28] Rhiannon Dragoone: Jago, not if gravity is ten times greater
[14:28] Garym Gartner: I think that's the consensus view right now.
[14:28] Rhiannon Dragoone: or there is ten times the matter
[14:28] Eddi Haskell: mmmm but how can you prove that with an equation
[14:28] Rhiannon Dragoone: then it could contract, like a yo-yo
[14:29] Garym Gartner: In fact, wasn't it recently shown that the expansion of the universe is accelerating?
[14:29] Eddi Haskell: yes in the past 10 years / it is shown
[14:29] Rhiannon Dragoone: Garym, no ur thinking of my carberator.
[14:29] Eddi Haskell: that is what this chapter is about
[14:29] Jago Constantine: The Universe will expand for ever, at an ever-increasing rate, Nasa scientists have announced.
They base their conclusion on new data obtained by the Microwave Anisotropy Probe (Map) satellite, which has been orbiting the Sun beyond the Moon since shortly after its launch in 2001.
[14:29] Jago Constantine: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2748653.stm
[14:29] Rhiannon Dragoone: Jago, i've read that
[14:29] Eddi Haskell: mmmm today they think that
[14:29] Rhiannon Dragoone: it depends on whether string theory is true or dark matter
[14:30] Garym Gartner: Which leaves the question, what's pushing it apart?
[14:30] Rhiannon Dragoone: so all that can change
[14:30] Jago Constantine: the cosmological constant ;)
[14:30] Garym Gartner: Bingo.
[14:30] Rhiannon Dragoone: jago LOL
[14:31] Eddi Haskell: and i have also been reading about the fall of the whitlam government in australia in 1975 which is more unbelivable then time travel
[14:31] Eddi Haskell: but it happened
[14:31] Jago Constantine: lol Eddi
[14:31] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:31] Rhiannon Dragoone: Eddi, no clue wht ur talking about / i'm just a dumb blond from no. america
[14:31] Jago Constantine: I'm Australian ... / The elected govermnent in 1975 was dismissed by the Governor General, the Queen's representative
[14:32] Rhiannon Dragoone: Sorry, really to be so ignorant, Jago, and Eddi
[14:32] Jago Constantine: It was Australia's major constitutional crisis
[14:32] Rhiannon Dragoone: Oh, is that the one where the Governor General overruled the people's vote?
[14:32] Eddi Haskell: yeah
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Yes, kind of
[14:32] Rhiannon Dragoone: okay, don't feel so stupid now
[14:33] Jago Constantine: There was a huge outcry, and then the population went ahead and voted for the guy the GG appointed anyway lol
[14:33] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, i heard that.
[14:33] Eddi Haskell: oh and yesterday desmond shang gave me a tour of caledon in blue mars
[14:33] Rhiannon Dragoone: i think a GG is a good idea but shouldn't it be elected? / i mean, there is the history of the monarchy, etc. / For sure
[14:33] Eddi Haskell: noah cause it will hav pwer then / its a ceremonial post
[14:33] Melch Savon: Oh, how was Blue Mars? No mac or linux client, and I haven't booted up windows to see it yet
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: well
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: you can use mac, bootcamp
[14:34] Jago Constantine: Hi, Ugene, Fuschia, welcome to science fiction saturday
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: im gonna have a gallery there, ive done four movies / its amazing
[14:34] Ugene Ogrimund: what's going on here?
[14:34] Fuschia Nightfire: hi jago
[14:34] Jago Constantine: we're just discussing blue mars
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: you just walk around and look at cool builsings
[14:34] Jago Constantine: not the novel - the virtual world
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: i have posters i made ill rez if you want them
[14:34] Garym Gartner: Ah, thanks, I was confused on that.
[14:35] Melch Savon: Naw, I'll check it out myself when I have time. Just wanted you to say ts worth my time is all.
[14:35] Jago Constantine: I plan to check it out next year / Anyway, Melch - have you read any novels lately? / or any sci fi
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: let me know if you want them i made three posters
[14:36] Melch Savon: Since I last came I think I have rediscovered all of the Vorkosigan books by Bujold
[14:37] Jago Constantine: Hmm ... I never got into those
[14:37] Melch Savon: Nice read. Everyone likes the underdog
[14:37] Jago Constantine: or anything by bujold actually
[14:37] Garym Gartner: I've read some of hers. Pleasant, but didn't make me wildly enthusiastic the way it does for many people.
[14:37] Melch Savon: They were up my ally. No need to strain my brain (I have work for that) but interesting enough to be engaging
[14:38] Jago Constantine: ok, so how many books are there?
[14:38] Rhiannon Dragoone: Melch tell us a little about these books. I'm always interested in a new series
[14:38] Melch Savon: 6? 7?
[14:38] Garym Gartner: More than that.
[14:38] Jago Constantine: wow lol
[14:38] Melch Savon: It all revolves around Miles Vorkosigan. Its a space adventure, and hes from a slightly backwards planet where all mutations are killed at birth.
[14:39] Melch Savon: Well, there carriers are
[14:39] Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, ho, i love a good space opera
[14:39] Melch Savon: He looks like a dwarf mutant due to some post-birth trauma, so everyone on his planet finds him disgusting. Most do at least
[14:39] Jago Constantine: so they're basically spartans?
[14:39] Melch Savon: Yet because his father is regent he works his way into intelligence, and becomes admirals of a mercenary fleet / They would be if Bujold went to the extreme, yes / It's all about Miles struggle to be accepted at home while leading a secret life where he is a crippled James Bond in space / Not a horribly boring concept really. The secondary characters tend to be well done as well
[14:41] Ugene Ogrimund: ahhhhhhhhhhh. how the fuck do i get out of here????
[14:41] Avatar ejected.
[14:41] Jago Constantine: I eject you that's how :P
[14:41] Garym Gartner: Whatever works. :)
[14:41] Jago Constantine: nudity is ok ... erections aren't
[14:41] Rhiannon Dragoone: Melch, it sunds like a good read
[14:42] Melch Savon: It is. Not too deep, but enough to keep your interest
[14:42] Rhiannon Dragoone: no, erections are sexual behavior. / Did you eject him?
[14:42] Melch Savon: The Kindle has been very expensive for me. Every book I finished, I had the next in 3 minutes. Read the series straight through
[14:42] Rhiannon Dragoone: I hope
[14:42] Jago Constantine: haha
[14:42] Rhiannon Dragoone: Didn't see him, thank god!
[14:42] Jago Constantine: its like me with itunes / with tv episodes
[14:43] Melch Savon: Jago ... I have that problem too, though not as bad there
[14:43] Jago Constantine: I have just been watching Glee and loving it :)
[14:43] Jago Constantine: Anyway thanks Melch - Rhiannon, have you read any sci fi?
[14:45] Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, no Jago. i'm still thinking though of the Ipod broadcast. / The idea of looking at plant intelligence or clone intelligence
[14:45] Jago Constantine: ok ... last week we listened to a podcast about an intelligent plant and a clone :)
[14:45] Rhiannon Dragoone: And i'm still reminded of Oscar, the intelligent plant, from, i think the STanly Weinbaum story--from the golden age
[14:46] Jago Constantine: Little Shop of Horrors
[14:46] Jago Constantine: :P
[14:46] Jago Constantine: Oh that was Audrey
[14:46] Garym Gartner: Was that the Martian Odyssey or something like that?
[14:46] Rhiannon Dragoone: not that was Bradburry / But Audrey is typical, the story i'm thinking of was unique / in that the plant really was a plant. / Took in oxygen, spewed out carbon dioxide, absorbed minearls, the whole bit / So how would such a creature think? / that's what the story was all about
[14:49] Jago Constantine: The Lotus Eaters / was that the story? / I just googled it / the plant creatures have no survival instinct
[14:50] Rhiannon Dragoone: Yes, I think it was
[14:50] Rhiannon Dragoone: that's right, they just exist.
[14:50] Jago Constantine: hmm I'll check it out if I get a chance
[14:50] Rhiannon Dragoone: and our hero, a human, had a hard time comprehending there thinking
[14:50] Rhiannon Dragoone: *their
[14:50] Jago Constantine: I bet / Ok ... Gary - would you like to talk about some sci fi you've read lately?
[14:50] Rhiannon Dragoone: i think i will re-read it. Thanks for finding the cite, Jago
[14:51] Garym Gartner: Well, just today I got a surprise in the mail from a friend...
[14:51] Garym Gartner: Five stories by classic SF authors, translated into German. But I haven't started on that yet.
[14:51] Garym Gartner: Last month I re-read Niven and Pournelle's "Inferno."
[14:51] Rhiannon Dragoone: kewl
[14:52] Garym Gartner: It's a science-fictional version of Dante's Inferno, with Mussolini instead of Virgil as the guide.
[14:52] Jago Constantine: oh cool
[14:52] Rhiannon Dragoone: all right. Now, that's an awesome concept
[14:52] Jago Constantine: hmm is there supposed to be some correspondence between virgil and mussolini?
[14:52] Rhiannon Dragoone: they're both Italians
[14:53] Garym Gartner: Only that they're both Italian, as far as I can see.
[14:53] Garym Gartner: But Mussolini was expiating the bad things he'd done in life by guiding people through Hell.
[14:53] Rhiannon Dragoone: Maybe Mussolini was a frustrated poet.
[14:53] Garym Gartner: The main character is a science fiction author who died stupidly at a con.
[14:53] Jago Constantine: hmm ok ... in the original virgil is a virtuous pagan
[14:54] Rhiannon Dragoone: is there any other way to die at a con but stupidly?
[14:54] Garym Gartner: Unfortuantely, yes.
[14:54] Rhiannon Dragoone: i know. just kidding
[14:55] Garym Gartner: I chaired a con this year where one of the guests died before it.
[14:55] Rhiannon Dragoone: how horrible for you.
[14:55] Rhiannon Dragoone: I retract my joke, then.
[14:55] Garym Gartner: No offense taken.
[14:55] Rhiannon Dragoone smiles
[14:56] Eddi Haskell: its over my head but most stuff like this is.
[14:56] Garym Gartner: ANyway , it's got some nice parallels with Dante. The setup of Hell is mostly the same.
[14:56] Jago Constantine: Cool
[14:56] Jago Constantine: I was reading about another sci fi treatment of hell by ... hmm what's his name
[14:57] Eddi Haskell: dick cheney
[14:57] Garym Gartner: The "Heroes in Hell" series, perhaps?
[14:57] Rhiannon Dragoone: another good book to add to my reading list
[14:57] Jago Constantine: Hal Duncan
[14:57] Rhiannon Dragoone: ROTF
[14:57] Jago Constantine: It's called Escape from Hell
[14:58] Rhiannon Dragoone: thanks, Eddi
[14:58] Jago Constantine: It sounded interesting
[14:58] Eddi Haskell: your welcome!
[14:58] Jago Constantine: It's like escape from new york
[14:58] Jago Constantine: I gather that Hell is like new york in the novel ... except with a statue of Justice instead of Liberty :P
[14:59] Rhiannon Dragoone: Jago, i can't tell the dif between NY and Hell either
[14:59] Jago Constantine: "A hitman, a hooker, a homosexual and a hobo make the ultimate prison break"
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Anyway, it sounded like a fun concept, but perhaps a little forced
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Ok, thanks for coming folks
[15:01] Jago Constantine: I'll send out a group notice for the next meeting, which will be in January
[15:01] Garym Gartner: Thanks for hosting!
[15:01] Rhiannon Dragoone: Great, Jago
[15:01] Rhiannon Dragoone: U did a good job of hosting, as usual
[15:01] Eddi Haskell: merry xmas everyone
[15:02] Garym Gartner: This was good, I'll want to come back again.
[15:02] Rhiannon Dragoone: Merry Christmas everyone!
[15:02] Jago Constantine: Thanks for joining the group, gary - bring friends :)
[15:02] Melch Savon: Bye all -- see you next year
[15:02] Jago Constantine: And best wishes for Christmas and the New Year to you all :)
[15:02] Eddi Haskell: cu mitch !
Saturday, August 29, 2009
29 August 2009
[13:53] Aviano Gearz: here
[13:53] Simeon Beresford: It is in chat not voice
[13:53] Aviano Gearz: i am here
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: here
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: Mom
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: i am here
[13:54] moomintroll Flanagan: what are you sitting on Avi
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: oh
[13:54] moomintroll Flanagan: I tried to sit on your lap
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: hahah
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: try again
[13:54] moomintroll Flanagan: but it wouldn't let me
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: there's no pose ball
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: sit on my right side
[13:55] moomintroll Flanagan: sit on the chair
[13:55] Aviano Gearz: lets chat in voice
[13:55] Aviano Gearz: you sit first
[13:55] moomintroll Flanagan: what on?
[13:55] Aviano Gearz: here
[13:55] Aviano Gearz: just left click
[13:55] Aviano Gearz: we have a sofa set
[13:56] Aviano Gearz: can you sit
[13:56] Aviano Gearz: is it worknin
[13:56] Aviano Gearz: working
[13:56] moomintroll Flanagan: two chairs here Avi
[13:56] Aviano Gearz: no
[13:56] Aviano Gearz: one is here
[13:56] Aviano Gearz: sit here
[13:56] moomintroll Flanagan: I can't see any
[13:57] Aviano Gearz: right click here
[13:57] moomintroll Flanagan: oh yes
[13:57] moomintroll Flanagan: now
[13:57] moomintroll Flanagan: there
[13:57] Aviano Gearz: hahahah
[13:57] moomintroll Flanagan: ahhhhh
[13:57] Aviano Gearz: now it looks good
[13:57] moomintroll Flanagan: sweet
[13:58] Aviano Gearz: i can even sleep if the event gets boring
[13:58] Aviano Gearz: hahahaha
[13:58] Aviano Gearz: :)
[13:58] moomintroll Flanagan: yes
[13:58] moomintroll Flanagan: I will smooth your forhead
[13:58] Simeon Beresford: hi jago
[13:58] moomintroll Flanagan: blimey
[13:58] Aviano Gearz: hi Simeon
[13:58] moomintroll Flanagan: ants in your pantss?
[13:58] Aviano Gearz: OMG
[13:59] Jago Constantine: Hi, folks :)
[13:59] Aviano Gearz: helu
[13:59] Aviano Gearz: who is the host?
[13:59] Karl Mearkus: Hi Jago
[13:59] Jack Ozigard: hi jago
[13:59] Jago Constantine: I'm the host ... thanks for coming :)
[13:59] Simeon Beresford: jagp hosts
[13:59] Aviano Gearz: nice to meet you
[13:59] Jago Constantine: For anyone new, the way the group runs is that we go round the circle
[13:59] Aviano Gearz: may i know what this event is all about?
[14:00] Jago Constantine: and talk about what science fiction we read since the last meeting
[14:00] Jago Constantine: or if it's your first time, what you read last
[14:00] Aviano Gearz: oh i think i am at the wrong place...
[14:00] Aviano Gearz: i dont have anything to share
[14:00] Aviano Gearz: but i can listen if you guys dont mind
[14:00] Jago Constantine: Well, you can just sit in if you like
[14:01] Aviano Gearz: oh yes
[14:01] Aviano Gearz: Mom do you like this place?
[14:01] Jago Constantine: Hi, Fourside
[14:01] Jack Ozigard: there was too much folks last time, so not everybody got a turn. I guess listening is very okay
[14:01] Fourside Janus: m
[14:01] Fourside Janus: Hi
[14:01] Aviano Gearz: hi Fourside
[14:01] Aviano Gearz: so it a voice discussion?
[14:01] Jago Constantine: So this week I read an Alastair Reynolds novel, Century Rain
[14:01] Jago Constantine: No, it's chat
[14:02] Jago Constantine: You're trying to sit on me, Fourside :P
[14:02] Fourside Janus: oops, sorry!
[14:02] Jago Constantine: This was different to Reynolds' usual novels set in the Revelation Space universe
[14:02] Jago Constantine: a stand-alone, set in the future and in a world resembling 1950s Paris
[14:03] Simeon Beresford: 2 worlds?
[14:03] Jago Constantine: It's kind of an alternate history in a sense, but as an alternate history it's not very satisfying
[14:03] Jago Constantine: Yes
[14:04] Bryce Galbraith: Hi all
[14:04] Simeon Beresford: hi
[14:04] Jago Constantine: Because you don't see enough of the alternate world to get much of a feel for it
[14:04] Jago Constantine: it's not well fleshed out
[14:04] Jago Constantine: But the future parts were interesting, so I didn't mind so much
[14:05] Jago Constantine: Anyway, I recommend it if you're a fan of Alastair Reynolds' work
[14:05] Jago Constantine: Ok, Bryce, did you read anything this week?
[14:05] Bryce Galbraith: Still working on Sundiver by David Brin.
[14:06] Jago Constantine: Cool
[14:06] Bryce Galbraith: Got a job and a half so it takes me a while to get through a book...
[14:07] Jago Constantine: Sure. Anything notable you want to mention from the novel?
[14:07] Simeon Beresford: nods
[14:08] Bryce Galbraith: Hmmm... the story is still developing...taking on more of a mystery now since one character was killed in a sunship.
[14:09] Bryce Galbraith: There is a tension that contact with galactic civilization has brought to man, and that figures pretty prominently in the story.
[14:10] Bryce Galbraith: Galactic civilization has been around for millenia ... more really... and so on the one hand there is already a lot of stuff that humans can learn directly without having to find it out for themselves.
[14:10] Bryce Galbraith: So there is a decline in pure research.
[14:10] moomintroll Flanagan: Thank you everyone...I have learnt something ...Now I have to go
[14:10] moomintroll Flanagan: Take care
[14:10] Jago Constantine: Thanks moomintroll :)
[14:10] Simeon Beresford: |bye
[14:11] Simeon Beresford: Hi camilla
[14:11] Camilla Delvalle: Hello
[14:11] Jago Constantine: I like the idea that there would be a decline in research because of the easily-obtained technology from the galactic encyclopedia
[14:12] Bryce Galbraith: There's also a kind of caste/class thing going on in galactic civilization too, and humans are kind of a wildcard because they don't quite fit in really.
[14:12] Jago Constantine: Thanks, Bryce
[14:12] Jago Constantine: Simeon, cool avatar ... how was your reading this week?
[14:13] Simeon Beresford: Thanks
[14:13] Simeon Beresford: this week I finished raggamuddin
[14:13] Simeon Beresford: fagamuffin
[14:13] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:13] Simeon Beresford: argh
[14:13] Simeon Beresford: ragamuffin
[14:14] Simeon Beresford: sequal to crystal rain
[14:14] Simeon Beresford: has some charactersi n common
[14:15] Jago Constantine: So you liked it?
[14:16] Simeon Beresford: Yes the lost colony from the first book restablishes contact with the main civilisation
[14:16] Simeon Beresford: where things are not going well for human
[14:16] Jago Constantine: What's the problem?
[14:17] Simeon Beresford: third class citizens living at the whim of others
[14:17] Jago Constantine: Ok
[14:17] Jago Constantine: I haven't read any Tobias Buckell
[14:18] Jago Constantine: I should :P
[14:18] Simeon Beresford: the colony is not exactly in a good spot either
[14:19] Simeon Beresford: the worm holes reconnecting it to the rest of the galaxy
[14:19] Simeon Beresford: are re openned bye the same people that the colony cut the worm holes to tisolate itself from in the first place
[14:20] Jago Constantine: ah
[14:20] Simeon Beresford: much higher tech level in this book.
[14:20] Camilla Delvalle: what kind of tech do they have?
[14:21] Simeon Beresford: colony steam and electric.
[14:21] Simeon Beresford: rlectronics al disaepreared in the ENF pulse that cut it of
[14:22] Simeon Beresford: main sivilisation
[14:22] Jago Constantine: So it cut off electronics permanently?
[14:22] Jack Ozigard: sorry I had a bad connection
[14:22] Camilla Delvalle: i guess it is not so easy to make electronics without a factory and engineers
[14:23] Simeon Beresford: yeah colony hac not advanced enough to replace them every one dependa on Laminea
[14:23] Simeon Beresford: in the main civ
[14:23] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:23] Jago Constantine: Ok ... so Fourside ... what have you read lately?
[14:23] Simeon Beresford: electronic info tags attached to eveery thing
[14:24] Simeon Beresford: four side?
[14:24] Jago Constantine: Sorry, Simeon ... you're still going?
[14:24] Simeon Beresford: nah
[14:24] Fourside Janus: Eheheheh... accidentally found Fallout1 & 2, so... nothing. >_< Go ahead simeon.
[14:24] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:24] Simeon Beresford: thought cammilla
[14:24] Jago Constantine: Lol ok Camilla
[14:24] Camilla Delvalle: me?
[14:24] Jago Constantine: Have you read any good books lately?
[14:25] Camilla Delvalle: No but I can talk about anime series Elfen Lied?
[14:25] Jago Constantine: Sure, I like that one :)
[14:25] Camilla Delvalle: I is japanese comic series
[14:26] Camilla Delvalle: It begins with a naked woman escaping from institution by splatting 23 guards
[14:26] Jago Constantine: Heh
[14:26] Jago Constantine: It's very violent
[14:26] Camilla Delvalle: much blood :)
[14:26] Camilla Delvalle: i like
[14:26] Camilla Delvalle: but she is shot in head and loose memory and drop in ocean
[14:27] Jago Constantine: It's fun that it crosses the ultra-violent plotline with the romantic one
[14:27] Camilla Delvalle: and float a shore in the village
[14:27] Fourside Janus: Like Kill Bill?
[14:27] Jago Constantine: the anime cliche where the one guy is living with a bunch of women
[14:28] Camilla Delvalle: maybe like kill bill in that a lot of people are splatted and there is blood flying everywhere
[14:28] Jago Constantine: yeah
[14:28] Camilla Delvalle: but most of the series is very cute
[14:28] Camilla Delvalle: there is a homeless girl with a little dog and they are both adorable
[14:29] Camilla Delvalle: when i thougt that the dog was splatted i was going to die, but it wasnt
[14:29] Jago Constantine: Yes ... a friend found the series a little slow, in between the ultra-violent parts lol
[14:29] Camilla Delvalle: well it is slow, but not too much i think
[14:29] Camilla Delvalle: it is very relaxing for the mind
[14:29] Jago Constantine: I loved the theme song
[14:29] Jago Constantine: from the opening credits
[14:30] Camilla Delvalle: because there are not so many disturbing comic-book effects
[14:30] Camilla Delvalle: yes the music is beautiful
[14:30] Jago Constantine: Welcome, Singularity
[14:30] Camilla Delvalle: it is drawn quite realistically i think
[14:30] Camilla Delvalle: and not so much overacting, the characters are quite calm
[14:30] Jago Constantine: It reminded me of Neon Genesis Evangelion
[14:31] Camilla Delvalle: and there is some romance
[14:31] Camilla Delvalle: and many feelings
[14:31] Camilla Delvalle: how did it remind?
[14:31] Camilla Delvalle: of neon?
[14:31] Jago Constantine: Another anime series where ultra-violence is mixed with everyday life and romance
[14:32] Camilla Delvalle: ok
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Also with stylish animation
[14:32] Camilla Delvalle: i think Elfen Lied is quite artistic
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Anyway, thanks, Camilla ... Bobby, how is your reading going
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Yes, it's nicely drawn
[14:32] Bobby Lomba: Goody! Just started mote in god's eye
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Brilliant :)
[14:32] Bobby Lomba: cant say much about it, havent read much
[14:33] Bryce Galbraith: I remember that -- I loved that book :)
[14:33] Bobby Lomba: Its ok so far
[14:33] Jago Constantine: Yes, well it gets good when you actually get to the mote :P
[14:33] Bobby Lomba: Yeah, im there
[14:34] Jack Ozigard: isn't that a cyberpunk book?
[14:34] Jago Constantine: No, not cyberpunk ... space opera
[14:34] Bobby Lomba: no, future first contact thing
[14:34] Bryce Galbraith: No, more of space/first-contact story.
[14:34] Jack Ozigard: ok thanks
[14:34] Camilla Delvalle: what is a mote?
[14:35] Jago Constantine: A speck of dust
[14:35] Jago Constantine: In this case it's a metaphor for a star
[14:35] Camilla Delvalle: aha
[14:36] Jago Constantine: Ok, well I look forward to hearing about it when you finish the book, Bobby
[14:36] Bobby Lomba: yep:)
[14:36] Jago Constantine: Ok, Karl ... great avatar!
[14:36] Jago Constantine: Have you got a book to talk about?
[14:37] Jack Ozigard: do you think we should water him?
[14:37] Edward Aelberts: Nice.
[14:37] Bobby Lomba: think its a meat eater
[14:37] Karl Mearkus: Hi
[14:38] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:38] Simeon Beresford: never get your coffe til after your turn karl
[14:38] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:38] Karl Mearkus: sorry, well I read my first non-fiction science fiction book "The world without us"
[14:38] Jago Constantine: Oh, I saw the tv show of that
[14:38] Fourside Janus: Ooh, that's a good one.
[14:39] Karl Mearkus: really enjoyed the speculation - the descriptions of new york a few days after humanity has mysteriously disappeared
[14:39] Jago Constantine: Yeah, it would be a good reference for a post-apocalyptic novelist
[14:40] Bryce Galbraith: I saw the original documentary based on the book and then a few of the episodes they did afterward. Pretty enjoyable :)
[14:40] Jago Constantine: lol karl
[14:40] Karl Mearkus: and strange a real life group called the voluntary human extinction movement
[14:40] Jago Constantine: I've heard of them too
[14:40] Karl Mearkus: highly recommended for you humans - let the greenery run the place for a bit ;)
[14:40] Jago Constantine: hehe
[14:40] Fourside Janus: O.o
[14:41] Camilla Delvalle: was the entire book about humans disappearing?
[14:41] Karl Mearkus: that was the start point and then investigating things like plastic, forests cities
[14:41] Jago Constantine: Yes, it's about how things would run down and decay
[14:42] Edward Aelberts: Does it give a reason for the disappearance, or does it let the reader imagine one?
[14:42] Jago Constantine: how traces of human civilisation would vanish over time
[14:42] Jago Constantine: It's non-fiction, so it's just 'what if humans disappeared
[14:42] Karl Mearkus: fingers crossed though
[14:42] Edward Aelberts: It sounds really good.
[14:42] Vel Alchemi: Does it say anything about the return of dammed up streams and rivers?
[14:42] Camilla Delvalle: how large time scale has it?
[14:43] Jago Constantine: the tv show mentions the hoover dam
[14:43] Jack Ozigard: sounds like a very interesting read for world builders
[14:43] Karl Mearkus: from 1 day to 150 thousand years time scale
[14:43] Jago Constantine: how it might be the last place that there is electricity
[14:43] Karl Mearkus: when plastic might start going
[14:43] Camilla Delvalle: i guess there would be a lot of stuff left
[14:43] Camilla Delvalle: when does plastics disappear?
[14:44] Karl Mearkus: only when someone evolves to eat them I'm afraid
[14:44] Simeon Beresford: depends on the plastic
[14:44] Karl Mearkus: but yes highly recommended
[14:44] Jago Constantine: Yes, and I recommend the documentary :)
[14:45] Jack Ozigard: there's plastic eating fungi in chernobyl I understood
[14:45] Camilla Delvalle: how much would be left according to the book?
[14:45] Jago Constantine: Actually, the last trace of human civilization to exist would be the voyager space probe, or the apollo landers
[14:45] Camilla Delvalle: lol
[14:45] Bryce Galbraith: It's sort of surprising how quickly some stuff would fall apart.
[14:45] Karl Mearkus: all plastic that has been manufactured since the 1950s still exists and will exist for another 100 thousand years, but mybe thats for another discussion
[14:46] Jago Constantine: yes
[14:46] Jago Constantine: hehe
[14:46] Jago Constantine: we should get back on track
[14:46] Jago Constantine: Thanks, Karl :)
[14:46] Simeon Beresford: i seem to remember ceramics survive best
[14:46] Bryce Galbraith: Depends on climate too....
[14:46] Jago Constantine: Jack - have you read any good books lately?
[14:46] Bryce Galbraith: Maybe we'll have to have to have a discussion just based on that one book sometime :)
[14:46] Camilla Delvalle: there are dinosaur bones in the ground that are older then that i guess
[14:46] Jack Ozigard: I reread the Docteur Mystere comics I have
[14:47] Jago Constantine: Yes :)
[14:47] Vel Alchemi: Aliens coming to earth a millinium from now will find procelin sinks and toilets.
[14:47] Jack Ozigard: Mystery of Milan and War of the Worlds
[14:47] Jago Constantine: I haven't heard of that series
[14:47] Jack Ozigard: they are french or italian, but have been translated into engflish
[14:47] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:47] Jago Constantine: What is the setting? they sound victorian
[14:47] Jago Constantine: 19th century
[14:48] Jack Ozigard: they are based on adventures by paul d'ivoi
[14:48] Jack Ozigard: http://www.coolfrenchcomics.com/pauldivoi.htm
[14:48] Jack Ozigard: the setting is a bit vidctorian but outside britain
[14:48] Jack Ozigard: in War of the worlds it is the moon
[14:48] Jack Ozigard: in Mystery of Milan, it's.... Milan
[14:49] Jago Constantine: they sound interesting ... I'm surprised they haven't been translated
[14:49] Jack Ozigard: I do think warof the worlds is mostly scifi
[14:49] Jack Ozigard: it has a lot of caeos in it
[14:49] Jack Ozigard: have been translated
[14:50] Jack Ozigard: here: http://www.milehighcomics.com/comicindex/trade-paperback/title/Title-DOCTEUR-MYSTERE--MYSTERIES-OF-MILAN-HC--2004--by-SAF-COMICS.html
[14:50] Jago Constantine: ok ok cool
[14:50] Jago Constantine: I misread your sentence :P
[14:50] Jack Ozigard: and here: http://www.milehighcomics.com/comicindex/trade-paperback/title/Title-DOCTEUR-MYSTERE--WAR-OF-THE-WORLDS-HC--VOL--2---2005--by-SAF-COMICS.html
[14:50] Jack Ozigard: I type not very well this late at night
[14:50] Bryce Galbraith: I need to head out now. Nice talking with you all :)
[14:50] Jago Constantine: Thanks for coming, Bryce
[14:51] Jago Constantine: So you enjoyed the comics?
[14:51] Jack Ozigard: war of the worlds has darth vader in it and mr spock
[14:51] Jago Constantine: Jack?
[14:51] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:51] Jack Ozigard: I enjoyed the story
[14:51] Jack Ozigard: I do think the pictures could be better
[14:51] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:51] Jack Ozigard: and the text is a bit boring at times
[14:51] Jago Constantine: Thanks for that :)
[14:51] Jago Constantine: Vel - have you got a book report for us?
[14:52] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:52] Vel Alchemi: I've been going through old boxes of books.
[14:52] Vel Alchemi: And Rite of Passage by Alexi Panshin.
[14:52] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:52] Vel Alchemi: Just re-read Wasp by Eric Frank Russell.
[14:52] Jago Constantine: cool
[14:53] Vel Alchemi: They were published in the 50s so that makes them classic sci fi, I'd say.
[14:53] Jago Constantine: Definitely
[14:53] Vel Alchemi: I've also been re-reading the Dresdin File series by Jim Butcher and realized something about my taste in sci fi.
[14:53] Jago Constantine: Yes?
[14:54] Vel Alchemi: All those books are narrated by individuals and very much from one point of view.
[14:54] Vel Alchemi: So I seem to have a taste for a strong single source.
[14:54] Jago Constantine: Interesting
[14:54] Vel Alchemi: It was a surprise. But now that I have seen it, I can point to other favorites that fit that same structure.
[14:55] Jack Ozigard: no sorry
[14:55] Vel Alchemi: Who else has read those books?
[14:55] Simeon Beresford: me
[14:55] Karl Mearkus: not me
[14:55] Edward Aelberts: I haven't..
[14:55] Vel Alchemi: Want a synopsis?
[14:55] Jago Constantine: Not me
[14:55] Fourside Janus: Most I've seen is the TV series on that last one...
[14:55] Jago Constantine: I watched one episode of the Dresden Files show but didn't like it :P
[14:56] Vel Alchemi: I can see why it wouldn't translate well. The books are very introspective.
[14:56] Jack Ozigard: what is the dresden files about?
[14:56] Vel Alchemi: The main character is a wizard in modern Chicago.
[14:56] Simeon Beresford: any eric framk russel is worth reading slick humorouss advewnture
[14:57] Vel Alchemi: He gets dragged into -- and beaten up in -- all sorts of supernatural warfare.
[14:57] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:57] Jago Constantine: Ok, we'd better move on to Edward, the hour is almost up
[14:57] Edward Aelberts: Hello everyone!
[14:57] Jago Constantine: Edward? Read anything good?
[14:57] Vel Alchemi: Hi Edward.
[14:57] Fourside Janus: Hi
[14:58] Edward Aelberts: I recently finished Time Enough For Love by Robert Heinlein.
[14:58] Jago Constantine: nice
[14:58] Vel Alchemi: Good one.
[14:58] Edward Aelberts: I enjoyed the character of Lazarus Long more than the story itself.
[14:59] Jago Constantine: What did you like about the character?
[14:59] Edward Aelberts: He belonged to a family with perfect genes, able to live to 150, and these people decided to invest in technology to rejuvenate themselves.
[14:59] Vel Alchemi: I always thought Lazarus was Heinlein as he saw himself.
[14:59] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:59] Jago Constantine: I think a lot of heinlein's characters are
[15:00] Bobby Lomba: aiai, got to go, thanks for the meeting!
[15:00] Jack Ozigard: cu bobby
[15:00] Jago Constantine: See you bobby
[15:00] Edward Aelberts: He was very.. simple. Living for such a long time basically hardened him to loving people.
[15:01] Edward Aelberts: He could live to old age, then be rejuvenated, which wasn't described very well in the book, and be young again.
[15:01] Edward Aelberts: If I remember right, he was 2200 years old when the book opens.
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Sorry folks, I have to log now
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Thanks Edward
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Thanks, everyone
[15:01] Edward Aelberts: No problem! I enjoyed it.
[15:01] Jack Ozigard: cu jago
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Feel free to stay and chat though :)
[15:01] Vel Alchemi: Bye, all.
[15:01] Fourside Janus: Bye
[15:01] Karl Mearkus: bye Jago
[15:02] Jago Constantine: Same time and place next week!
[13:53] Simeon Beresford: It is in chat not voice
[13:53] Aviano Gearz: i am here
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: here
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: Mom
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: i am here
[13:54] moomintroll Flanagan: what are you sitting on Avi
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: oh
[13:54] moomintroll Flanagan: I tried to sit on your lap
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: hahah
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: try again
[13:54] moomintroll Flanagan: but it wouldn't let me
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: there's no pose ball
[13:54] Aviano Gearz: sit on my right side
[13:55] moomintroll Flanagan: sit on the chair
[13:55] Aviano Gearz: lets chat in voice
[13:55] Aviano Gearz: you sit first
[13:55] moomintroll Flanagan: what on?
[13:55] Aviano Gearz: here
[13:55] Aviano Gearz: just left click
[13:55] Aviano Gearz: we have a sofa set
[13:56] Aviano Gearz: can you sit
[13:56] Aviano Gearz: is it worknin
[13:56] Aviano Gearz: working
[13:56] moomintroll Flanagan: two chairs here Avi
[13:56] Aviano Gearz: no
[13:56] Aviano Gearz: one is here
[13:56] Aviano Gearz: sit here
[13:56] moomintroll Flanagan: I can't see any
[13:57] Aviano Gearz: right click here
[13:57] moomintroll Flanagan: oh yes
[13:57] moomintroll Flanagan: now
[13:57] moomintroll Flanagan: there
[13:57] Aviano Gearz: hahahah
[13:57] moomintroll Flanagan: ahhhhh
[13:57] Aviano Gearz: now it looks good
[13:57] moomintroll Flanagan: sweet
[13:58] Aviano Gearz: i can even sleep if the event gets boring
[13:58] Aviano Gearz: hahahaha
[13:58] Aviano Gearz: :)
[13:58] moomintroll Flanagan: yes
[13:58] moomintroll Flanagan: I will smooth your forhead
[13:58] Simeon Beresford: hi jago
[13:58] moomintroll Flanagan: blimey
[13:58] Aviano Gearz: hi Simeon
[13:58] moomintroll Flanagan: ants in your pantss?
[13:58] Aviano Gearz: OMG
[13:59] Jago Constantine: Hi, folks :)
[13:59] Aviano Gearz: helu
[13:59] Aviano Gearz: who is the host?
[13:59] Karl Mearkus: Hi Jago
[13:59] Jack Ozigard: hi jago
[13:59] Jago Constantine: I'm the host ... thanks for coming :)
[13:59] Simeon Beresford: jagp hosts
[13:59] Aviano Gearz: nice to meet you
[13:59] Jago Constantine: For anyone new, the way the group runs is that we go round the circle
[13:59] Aviano Gearz: may i know what this event is all about?
[14:00] Jago Constantine: and talk about what science fiction we read since the last meeting
[14:00] Jago Constantine: or if it's your first time, what you read last
[14:00] Aviano Gearz: oh i think i am at the wrong place...
[14:00] Aviano Gearz: i dont have anything to share
[14:00] Aviano Gearz: but i can listen if you guys dont mind
[14:00] Jago Constantine: Well, you can just sit in if you like
[14:01] Aviano Gearz: oh yes
[14:01] Aviano Gearz: Mom do you like this place?
[14:01] Jago Constantine: Hi, Fourside
[14:01] Jack Ozigard: there was too much folks last time, so not everybody got a turn. I guess listening is very okay
[14:01] Fourside Janus: m
[14:01] Fourside Janus: Hi
[14:01] Aviano Gearz: hi Fourside
[14:01] Aviano Gearz: so it a voice discussion?
[14:01] Jago Constantine: So this week I read an Alastair Reynolds novel, Century Rain
[14:01] Jago Constantine: No, it's chat
[14:02] Jago Constantine: You're trying to sit on me, Fourside :P
[14:02] Fourside Janus: oops, sorry!
[14:02] Jago Constantine: This was different to Reynolds' usual novels set in the Revelation Space universe
[14:02] Jago Constantine: a stand-alone, set in the future and in a world resembling 1950s Paris
[14:03] Simeon Beresford: 2 worlds?
[14:03] Jago Constantine: It's kind of an alternate history in a sense, but as an alternate history it's not very satisfying
[14:03] Jago Constantine: Yes
[14:04] Bryce Galbraith: Hi all
[14:04] Simeon Beresford: hi
[14:04] Jago Constantine: Because you don't see enough of the alternate world to get much of a feel for it
[14:04] Jago Constantine: it's not well fleshed out
[14:04] Jago Constantine: But the future parts were interesting, so I didn't mind so much
[14:05] Jago Constantine: Anyway, I recommend it if you're a fan of Alastair Reynolds' work
[14:05] Jago Constantine: Ok, Bryce, did you read anything this week?
[14:05] Bryce Galbraith: Still working on Sundiver by David Brin.
[14:06] Jago Constantine: Cool
[14:06] Bryce Galbraith: Got a job and a half so it takes me a while to get through a book...
[14:07] Jago Constantine: Sure. Anything notable you want to mention from the novel?
[14:07] Simeon Beresford: nods
[14:08] Bryce Galbraith: Hmmm... the story is still developing...taking on more of a mystery now since one character was killed in a sunship.
[14:09] Bryce Galbraith: There is a tension that contact with galactic civilization has brought to man, and that figures pretty prominently in the story.
[14:10] Bryce Galbraith: Galactic civilization has been around for millenia ... more really... and so on the one hand there is already a lot of stuff that humans can learn directly without having to find it out for themselves.
[14:10] Bryce Galbraith: So there is a decline in pure research.
[14:10] moomintroll Flanagan: Thank you everyone...I have learnt something ...Now I have to go
[14:10] moomintroll Flanagan: Take care
[14:10] Jago Constantine: Thanks moomintroll :)
[14:10] Simeon Beresford: |bye
[14:11] Simeon Beresford: Hi camilla
[14:11] Camilla Delvalle: Hello
[14:11] Jago Constantine: I like the idea that there would be a decline in research because of the easily-obtained technology from the galactic encyclopedia
[14:12] Bryce Galbraith: There's also a kind of caste/class thing going on in galactic civilization too, and humans are kind of a wildcard because they don't quite fit in really.
[14:12] Jago Constantine: Thanks, Bryce
[14:12] Jago Constantine: Simeon, cool avatar ... how was your reading this week?
[14:13] Simeon Beresford: Thanks
[14:13] Simeon Beresford: this week I finished raggamuddin
[14:13] Simeon Beresford: fagamuffin
[14:13] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:13] Simeon Beresford: argh
[14:13] Simeon Beresford: ragamuffin
[14:14] Simeon Beresford: sequal to crystal rain
[14:14] Simeon Beresford: has some charactersi n common
[14:15] Jago Constantine: So you liked it?
[14:16] Simeon Beresford: Yes the lost colony from the first book restablishes contact with the main civilisation
[14:16] Simeon Beresford: where things are not going well for human
[14:16] Jago Constantine: What's the problem?
[14:17] Simeon Beresford: third class citizens living at the whim of others
[14:17] Jago Constantine: Ok
[14:17] Jago Constantine: I haven't read any Tobias Buckell
[14:18] Jago Constantine: I should :P
[14:18] Simeon Beresford: the colony is not exactly in a good spot either
[14:19] Simeon Beresford: the worm holes reconnecting it to the rest of the galaxy
[14:19] Simeon Beresford: are re openned bye the same people that the colony cut the worm holes to tisolate itself from in the first place
[14:20] Jago Constantine: ah
[14:20] Simeon Beresford: much higher tech level in this book.
[14:20] Camilla Delvalle: what kind of tech do they have?
[14:21] Simeon Beresford: colony steam and electric.
[14:21] Simeon Beresford: rlectronics al disaepreared in the ENF pulse that cut it of
[14:22] Simeon Beresford: main sivilisation
[14:22] Jago Constantine: So it cut off electronics permanently?
[14:22] Jack Ozigard: sorry I had a bad connection
[14:22] Camilla Delvalle: i guess it is not so easy to make electronics without a factory and engineers
[14:23] Simeon Beresford: yeah colony hac not advanced enough to replace them every one dependa on Laminea
[14:23] Simeon Beresford: in the main civ
[14:23] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:23] Jago Constantine: Ok ... so Fourside ... what have you read lately?
[14:23] Simeon Beresford: electronic info tags attached to eveery thing
[14:24] Simeon Beresford: four side?
[14:24] Jago Constantine: Sorry, Simeon ... you're still going?
[14:24] Simeon Beresford: nah
[14:24] Fourside Janus: Eheheheh... accidentally found Fallout1 & 2, so... nothing. >_< Go ahead simeon.
[14:24] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:24] Simeon Beresford: thought cammilla
[14:24] Jago Constantine: Lol ok Camilla
[14:24] Camilla Delvalle: me?
[14:24] Jago Constantine: Have you read any good books lately?
[14:25] Camilla Delvalle: No but I can talk about anime series Elfen Lied?
[14:25] Jago Constantine: Sure, I like that one :)
[14:25] Camilla Delvalle: I is japanese comic series
[14:26] Camilla Delvalle: It begins with a naked woman escaping from institution by splatting 23 guards
[14:26] Jago Constantine: Heh
[14:26] Jago Constantine: It's very violent
[14:26] Camilla Delvalle: much blood :)
[14:26] Camilla Delvalle: i like
[14:26] Camilla Delvalle: but she is shot in head and loose memory and drop in ocean
[14:27] Jago Constantine: It's fun that it crosses the ultra-violent plotline with the romantic one
[14:27] Camilla Delvalle: and float a shore in the village
[14:27] Fourside Janus: Like Kill Bill?
[14:27] Jago Constantine: the anime cliche where the one guy is living with a bunch of women
[14:28] Camilla Delvalle: maybe like kill bill in that a lot of people are splatted and there is blood flying everywhere
[14:28] Jago Constantine: yeah
[14:28] Camilla Delvalle: but most of the series is very cute
[14:28] Camilla Delvalle: there is a homeless girl with a little dog and they are both adorable
[14:29] Camilla Delvalle: when i thougt that the dog was splatted i was going to die, but it wasnt
[14:29] Jago Constantine: Yes ... a friend found the series a little slow, in between the ultra-violent parts lol
[14:29] Camilla Delvalle: well it is slow, but not too much i think
[14:29] Camilla Delvalle: it is very relaxing for the mind
[14:29] Jago Constantine: I loved the theme song
[14:29] Jago Constantine: from the opening credits
[14:30] Camilla Delvalle: because there are not so many disturbing comic-book effects
[14:30] Camilla Delvalle: yes the music is beautiful
[14:30] Jago Constantine: Welcome, Singularity
[14:30] Camilla Delvalle: it is drawn quite realistically i think
[14:30] Camilla Delvalle: and not so much overacting, the characters are quite calm
[14:30] Jago Constantine: It reminded me of Neon Genesis Evangelion
[14:31] Camilla Delvalle: and there is some romance
[14:31] Camilla Delvalle: and many feelings
[14:31] Camilla Delvalle: how did it remind?
[14:31] Camilla Delvalle: of neon?
[14:31] Jago Constantine: Another anime series where ultra-violence is mixed with everyday life and romance
[14:32] Camilla Delvalle: ok
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Also with stylish animation
[14:32] Camilla Delvalle: i think Elfen Lied is quite artistic
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Anyway, thanks, Camilla ... Bobby, how is your reading going
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Yes, it's nicely drawn
[14:32] Bobby Lomba: Goody! Just started mote in god's eye
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Brilliant :)
[14:32] Bobby Lomba: cant say much about it, havent read much
[14:33] Bryce Galbraith: I remember that -- I loved that book :)
[14:33] Bobby Lomba: Its ok so far
[14:33] Jago Constantine: Yes, well it gets good when you actually get to the mote :P
[14:33] Bobby Lomba: Yeah, im there
[14:34] Jack Ozigard: isn't that a cyberpunk book?
[14:34] Jago Constantine: No, not cyberpunk ... space opera
[14:34] Bobby Lomba: no, future first contact thing
[14:34] Bryce Galbraith: No, more of space/first-contact story.
[14:34] Jack Ozigard: ok thanks
[14:34] Camilla Delvalle: what is a mote?
[14:35] Jago Constantine: A speck of dust
[14:35] Jago Constantine: In this case it's a metaphor for a star
[14:35] Camilla Delvalle: aha
[14:36] Jago Constantine: Ok, well I look forward to hearing about it when you finish the book, Bobby
[14:36] Bobby Lomba: yep:)
[14:36] Jago Constantine: Ok, Karl ... great avatar!
[14:36] Jago Constantine: Have you got a book to talk about?
[14:37] Jack Ozigard: do you think we should water him?
[14:37] Edward Aelberts: Nice.
[14:37] Bobby Lomba: think its a meat eater
[14:37] Karl Mearkus: Hi
[14:38] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:38] Simeon Beresford: never get your coffe til after your turn karl
[14:38] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:38] Karl Mearkus: sorry, well I read my first non-fiction science fiction book "The world without us"
[14:38] Jago Constantine: Oh, I saw the tv show of that
[14:38] Fourside Janus: Ooh, that's a good one.
[14:39] Karl Mearkus: really enjoyed the speculation - the descriptions of new york a few days after humanity has mysteriously disappeared
[14:39] Jago Constantine: Yeah, it would be a good reference for a post-apocalyptic novelist
[14:40] Bryce Galbraith: I saw the original documentary based on the book and then a few of the episodes they did afterward. Pretty enjoyable :)
[14:40] Jago Constantine: lol karl
[14:40] Karl Mearkus: and strange a real life group called the voluntary human extinction movement
[14:40] Jago Constantine: I've heard of them too
[14:40] Karl Mearkus: highly recommended for you humans - let the greenery run the place for a bit ;)
[14:40] Jago Constantine: hehe
[14:40] Fourside Janus: O.o
[14:41] Camilla Delvalle: was the entire book about humans disappearing?
[14:41] Karl Mearkus: that was the start point and then investigating things like plastic, forests cities
[14:41] Jago Constantine: Yes, it's about how things would run down and decay
[14:42] Edward Aelberts: Does it give a reason for the disappearance, or does it let the reader imagine one?
[14:42] Jago Constantine: how traces of human civilisation would vanish over time
[14:42] Jago Constantine: It's non-fiction, so it's just 'what if humans disappeared
[14:42] Karl Mearkus: fingers crossed though
[14:42] Edward Aelberts: It sounds really good.
[14:42] Vel Alchemi: Does it say anything about the return of dammed up streams and rivers?
[14:42] Camilla Delvalle: how large time scale has it?
[14:43] Jago Constantine: the tv show mentions the hoover dam
[14:43] Jack Ozigard: sounds like a very interesting read for world builders
[14:43] Karl Mearkus: from 1 day to 150 thousand years time scale
[14:43] Jago Constantine: how it might be the last place that there is electricity
[14:43] Karl Mearkus: when plastic might start going
[14:43] Camilla Delvalle: i guess there would be a lot of stuff left
[14:43] Camilla Delvalle: when does plastics disappear?
[14:44] Karl Mearkus: only when someone evolves to eat them I'm afraid
[14:44] Simeon Beresford: depends on the plastic
[14:44] Karl Mearkus: but yes highly recommended
[14:44] Jago Constantine: Yes, and I recommend the documentary :)
[14:45] Jack Ozigard: there's plastic eating fungi in chernobyl I understood
[14:45] Camilla Delvalle: how much would be left according to the book?
[14:45] Jago Constantine: Actually, the last trace of human civilization to exist would be the voyager space probe, or the apollo landers
[14:45] Camilla Delvalle: lol
[14:45] Bryce Galbraith: It's sort of surprising how quickly some stuff would fall apart.
[14:45] Karl Mearkus: all plastic that has been manufactured since the 1950s still exists and will exist for another 100 thousand years, but mybe thats for another discussion
[14:46] Jago Constantine: yes
[14:46] Jago Constantine: hehe
[14:46] Jago Constantine: we should get back on track
[14:46] Jago Constantine: Thanks, Karl :)
[14:46] Simeon Beresford: i seem to remember ceramics survive best
[14:46] Bryce Galbraith: Depends on climate too....
[14:46] Jago Constantine: Jack - have you read any good books lately?
[14:46] Bryce Galbraith: Maybe we'll have to have to have a discussion just based on that one book sometime :)
[14:46] Camilla Delvalle: there are dinosaur bones in the ground that are older then that i guess
[14:46] Jack Ozigard: I reread the Docteur Mystere comics I have
[14:47] Jago Constantine: Yes :)
[14:47] Vel Alchemi: Aliens coming to earth a millinium from now will find procelin sinks and toilets.
[14:47] Jack Ozigard: Mystery of Milan and War of the Worlds
[14:47] Jago Constantine: I haven't heard of that series
[14:47] Jack Ozigard: they are french or italian, but have been translated into engflish
[14:47] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:47] Jago Constantine: What is the setting? they sound victorian
[14:47] Jago Constantine: 19th century
[14:48] Jack Ozigard: they are based on adventures by paul d'ivoi
[14:48] Jack Ozigard: http://www.coolfrenchcomics.com/pauldivoi.htm
[14:48] Jack Ozigard: the setting is a bit vidctorian but outside britain
[14:48] Jack Ozigard: in War of the worlds it is the moon
[14:48] Jack Ozigard: in Mystery of Milan, it's.... Milan
[14:49] Jago Constantine: they sound interesting ... I'm surprised they haven't been translated
[14:49] Jack Ozigard: I do think warof the worlds is mostly scifi
[14:49] Jack Ozigard: it has a lot of caeos in it
[14:49] Jack Ozigard: have been translated
[14:50] Jack Ozigard: here: http://www.milehighcomics.com/comicindex/trade-paperback/title/Title-DOCTEUR-MYSTERE--MYSTERIES-OF-MILAN-HC--2004--by-SAF-COMICS.html
[14:50] Jago Constantine: ok ok cool
[14:50] Jago Constantine: I misread your sentence :P
[14:50] Jack Ozigard: and here: http://www.milehighcomics.com/comicindex/trade-paperback/title/Title-DOCTEUR-MYSTERE--WAR-OF-THE-WORLDS-HC--VOL--2---2005--by-SAF-COMICS.html
[14:50] Jack Ozigard: I type not very well this late at night
[14:50] Bryce Galbraith: I need to head out now. Nice talking with you all :)
[14:50] Jago Constantine: Thanks for coming, Bryce
[14:51] Jago Constantine: So you enjoyed the comics?
[14:51] Jack Ozigard: war of the worlds has darth vader in it and mr spock
[14:51] Jago Constantine: Jack?
[14:51] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:51] Jack Ozigard: I enjoyed the story
[14:51] Jack Ozigard: I do think the pictures could be better
[14:51] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:51] Jack Ozigard: and the text is a bit boring at times
[14:51] Jago Constantine: Thanks for that :)
[14:51] Jago Constantine: Vel - have you got a book report for us?
[14:52] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:52] Vel Alchemi: I've been going through old boxes of books.
[14:52] Vel Alchemi: And Rite of Passage by Alexi Panshin.
[14:52] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:52] Vel Alchemi: Just re-read Wasp by Eric Frank Russell.
[14:52] Jago Constantine: cool
[14:53] Vel Alchemi: They were published in the 50s so that makes them classic sci fi, I'd say.
[14:53] Jago Constantine: Definitely
[14:53] Vel Alchemi: I've also been re-reading the Dresdin File series by Jim Butcher and realized something about my taste in sci fi.
[14:53] Jago Constantine: Yes?
[14:54] Vel Alchemi: All those books are narrated by individuals and very much from one point of view.
[14:54] Vel Alchemi: So I seem to have a taste for a strong single source.
[14:54] Jago Constantine: Interesting
[14:54] Vel Alchemi: It was a surprise. But now that I have seen it, I can point to other favorites that fit that same structure.
[14:55] Jack Ozigard: no sorry
[14:55] Vel Alchemi: Who else has read those books?
[14:55] Simeon Beresford: me
[14:55] Karl Mearkus: not me
[14:55] Edward Aelberts: I haven't..
[14:55] Vel Alchemi: Want a synopsis?
[14:55] Jago Constantine: Not me
[14:55] Fourside Janus: Most I've seen is the TV series on that last one...
[14:55] Jago Constantine: I watched one episode of the Dresden Files show but didn't like it :P
[14:56] Vel Alchemi: I can see why it wouldn't translate well. The books are very introspective.
[14:56] Jack Ozigard: what is the dresden files about?
[14:56] Vel Alchemi: The main character is a wizard in modern Chicago.
[14:56] Simeon Beresford: any eric framk russel is worth reading slick humorouss advewnture
[14:57] Vel Alchemi: He gets dragged into -- and beaten up in -- all sorts of supernatural warfare.
[14:57] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:57] Jago Constantine: Ok, we'd better move on to Edward, the hour is almost up
[14:57] Edward Aelberts: Hello everyone!
[14:57] Jago Constantine: Edward? Read anything good?
[14:57] Vel Alchemi: Hi Edward.
[14:57] Fourside Janus: Hi
[14:58] Edward Aelberts: I recently finished Time Enough For Love by Robert Heinlein.
[14:58] Jago Constantine: nice
[14:58] Vel Alchemi: Good one.
[14:58] Edward Aelberts: I enjoyed the character of Lazarus Long more than the story itself.
[14:59] Jago Constantine: What did you like about the character?
[14:59] Edward Aelberts: He belonged to a family with perfect genes, able to live to 150, and these people decided to invest in technology to rejuvenate themselves.
[14:59] Vel Alchemi: I always thought Lazarus was Heinlein as he saw himself.
[14:59] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:59] Jago Constantine: I think a lot of heinlein's characters are
[15:00] Bobby Lomba: aiai, got to go, thanks for the meeting!
[15:00] Jack Ozigard: cu bobby
[15:00] Jago Constantine: See you bobby
[15:00] Edward Aelberts: He was very.. simple. Living for such a long time basically hardened him to loving people.
[15:01] Edward Aelberts: He could live to old age, then be rejuvenated, which wasn't described very well in the book, and be young again.
[15:01] Edward Aelberts: If I remember right, he was 2200 years old when the book opens.
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Sorry folks, I have to log now
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Thanks Edward
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Thanks, everyone
[15:01] Edward Aelberts: No problem! I enjoyed it.
[15:01] Jack Ozigard: cu jago
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Feel free to stay and chat though :)
[15:01] Vel Alchemi: Bye, all.
[15:01] Fourside Janus: Bye
[15:01] Karl Mearkus: bye Jago
[15:02] Jago Constantine: Same time and place next week!
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