22 May 2010

[13:46] Jago Constantine: Hey Eddi babe :) / Are you there, Fleche?
[13:47] Eddi Haskell: hi! / i am stifll rezzing
[13:47] Jago Constantine: Ok :) / So ... have you read any science fiction lately, Eddi? :)
[13:48] Fleche Xeno: I'm here. :)
[13:48] Eddi Haskell: okj / im not rezzed but its coming in / i have been reading quite a bit of alternative history
[13:49] Jago Constantine: Cool
[13:49] Eddi Haskell: there was an incident / not known to many / which almost set the USA and UK to war in the 1880s / in Venezueala / the orinico incident / there is a story / in What If part 2 / about wha would have happened / if a war erupted / a Virctorian was
[13:50] Jago Constantine: Hi, Eppie :)
[13:50] Eddi Haskell: a Victorian technology war / and rereading what i read / with some real steam punk implications
[13:50] Eppie Shoreman: hi
[13:50] Jago Constantine: What was the orinoco incident / and what is what if
[13:50] Eddi Haskell: What if part 2 / is the second novel / in a series about alternative history / there are about 5 / i had the book in front of me a few minutes ago / they came close. / but as everything else it cant find it now il get the author in a bit / mostly military / The orinico incident / was about oil / in the 1880s / the boundary between / British Guyana / and Venezuala / was not set firmly / The US backed Venuzuela / and there was almost war / the conclict was peacefully settled
[13:51] Jago Constantine: was this related to the monroe doctrine?
[13:51] Eddi Haskell: most in venezualeas favor / i think it was related more to oil / since british guyana was there already
[13:52] Jago Constantine: yeah
[13:52] Eddi Haskell: the monroe doctrine would not apply / the US wanted venezuala to win / but here is the rub / from the period 1865 - 1890 / more or less / the US disarmed / after the civil war / the US had no navy / or strong military / to speak of. / the us grew unsular / after such a vilent war / and did not start coming out as world power
[13:53] Jago Constantine: heh
[13:53] Eddi Haskell: until the 1890s / so / in this story
[13:53] Jago Constantine: the great white fleet
[13:53] Eddi Haskell: admiral thomas mahan / yes that started in the 1890s / I can remember btw as a kid / My great uncle ben who lived to be like 104 fought in the spanish american war in 1898 / or was he a grea great uncle i dont know / lol / so / there is war / the us has no navy to speak of / but it is an economic power / the British Battleship Resolution / the most advanced warship in the world / sails into New York harbour / the Statue of liberty has just been built by the French / the the destroy it / they destroy it / they also destroy the tallest structure in new york at the time / the 300 foot high spire of trinity church / its still there, its by the world trade center. / The americans surrendur / what can they do ?
[13:55] Jago Constantine: hmm that seems implausible
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: they cannot touch this british battleship / new york is the biggest cityin the us in 1880
[13:55] Fleche Xeno: wait for it to leave due to lack of supplies?
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: well / it can just sail to halifax and come back / takes two dayts / there is no american navy then / basically none
[13:55] Jago Constantine: hey the US should have backed britain anyway lol
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: and this is a huge advanced 12000 ton battleship
[13:55] Jago Constantine: they'd rather have British Venezuela than Hugo Chavez :P
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: the us and the uk were enemires then / lol / well the end of the story is / is anyone here french candadian? / well the guy is joking / the british get most of venezuela / and give the US quebec in trade / but
[13:56] Jago Constantine: lol
[13:56] Eddi Haskell: when it comes to sci fi / hey I LOVE montreal / they would ruin it as a state / lol / now / this is so similar to sci fi / an advanced technology / a massive ironclad battleship / that there is no / countermeasurrs fror / for / there WAS but the us did not have a decent navy in the 1880s
[13:57] Jago Constantine: well I think the similarity is more with Japan
[13:57] Eddi Haskell: there was the 32 largest in thew rold / yeah? / how
[13:57] Jago Constantine: Perry's black ship / ships
[13:57] Eddi Haskell: which sails into tokyo bay / in the 1850s / with commodore perry / and opens jagpan up / to trade / yeah / but
[13:58] Jago Constantine: oh we lost fleche and eppie
[13:58] Eddi Haskell: i ws thiking / see / i can go and on / jago
[13:58] Jago Constantine: lol maybe I should have stopped you / hi shera :)
[13:58] SheraGolden Infinity: Hello :)
[13:59] Eddi Haskell: hiya
[13:59] Jago Constantine: We're discussing sci fi novels if you're interested :) / go on eddi
[13:59] Eddi Haskell: Hi ya shera
[13:59] SheraGolden Infinity: :)
[13:59] Jago Constantine: do you read sci fi shera?
[13:59] Eddi Haskell: nice to meet you
[14:00] SheraGolden Infinity: I dont know that i have ever.
[14:00] Jago Constantine: hehe ok
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: well im boring / i just drove two people away LOL
[14:00] Jago Constantine: lol eddi
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: i did / i feel bad lol
[14:00] SheraGolden Infinity: I did take a crash course on supergirl this morning, does that count?
[14:00] Jago Constantine: maybe they left for other reasons during your talk
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: yes it does
[14:00] Jago Constantine: Is supergirl superman's sister?
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: can you tellus about it / you look hot in that outfit
[14:00] SheraGolden Infinity: TY :)
[14:00] Jago Constantine: lol and he's gay
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: uh
[14:00] SheraGolden Infinity: Well...
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: how do you know? / lol
[14:01] SheraGolden Infinity: They say i am from another planet
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: me too!
[14:01] Jago Constantine: yeah superman is so I guess supergirl would be
[14:01] SheraGolden Infinity: And that i am totaly innocent because my superpowers have insulated me from danger.
[14:01] Jago Constantine: I think there's a superdog too
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: have they dicussed where you are from?
[14:01] Jago Constantine: lol that sounds like a fetish ... a totally hot and innocent superbabe
[14:01] SheraGolden Infinity: kryptonia? / giggle
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: your father is joel?
[14:01] Jago Constantine: krypton?
[14:01] SheraGolden Infinity: yes the man who taught me was all about the fetish
[14:02] Jago Constantine: haha
[14:02] Eddi Haskell: jago looks like superman doesnt he? / i bought him a costume but he wont wear it
[14:02] Jago Constantine: hi, paolo :)
[14:02] SheraGolden Infinity: Eddi, have we met, your name is very familiar / ?
[14:02] Eddi Haskell: coulda / ive been around
[14:02] Jago Constantine: eddie haskell is a tv character
[14:02] SheraGolden Infinity: Oh
[14:02] Jago Constantine: eddi is named after him
[14:02] Eddi Haskell: oh yeah from leave it to beaver / let embarass him more / im a smart alec punk / on tv
[14:03] Jago Constantine: I don't have it anymore
[14:03] SheraGolden Infinity: Oh i saw the movie, with Janine Turner as the mother,
[14:03] Eddi Haskell: really there is a movie?
[14:03] SheraGolden Infinity: mmmhmmm
[14:03] Eddi Haskell: hi paola welcome / well for these meetings
[14:03] SheraGolden Infinity: wow its getting warm here
[14:03] Paolo Alfa: hello, sorry to be late
[14:03] Eddi Haskell: at home?
[14:03] SheraGolden Infinity: I was sitting in the fire
[14:04] Jago Constantine: Supergirl is superman's first cousin
[14:04] Eddi Haskell: oh i see
[14:04] Jago Constantine: thats ok paolo / we're discussing supergirl lol
[14:04] Eddi Haskell: i drove people away eariler
[14:04] SheraGolden Infinity: So.... no kissing with superman. I'm glad we cleared that up
[14:04] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:04] Jago Constantine: actually there's a funny piece by sci fi author larry niven about superman / Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex
[14:30] SheraGolden Infinity: These seats are rarely flattering for a girl wearing a skirt
[14:30] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:30] Jago Constantine: "Ejaculation of semen is entirely involuntary in the human male, and in all other forms of terrestrial life. It would be unreasonable to assume otherwise for a kryptonian. But with kryptonian muscles behind it, Kal-El's semen would emerge with the muzzle velocity of a machine gun bullet."
[14:30] Eddi Haskell: if you turn your ao off you will sit better
[14:31] SheraGolden Infinity: As long as my knees are toucj=hing it's okay.
[14:31] Jago Constantine: its about how it would be impossible for superman to have sex with an earth woman
[14:31] Eddi Haskell: yes but he would have control
[14:31] Jago Constantine: no he wouldn't
[14:31] Eddi Haskell: or maybe he would lack self control
[14:31] Jago Constantine: well unless he withdraws
[14:31] SheraGolden Infinity gasps
[14:32] Jago Constantine: then he wouldnt need control so much
[14:32] Eddi Haskell: have you read anythting abour sci fi paola (eddi hides his ears)
[14:32] Jago Constantine: here is that essay / http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html
[14:32] SheraGolden Infinity: I was recently reading about the mayan prophecy, that might be considered sci fi
[14:32] Eddi Haskell: is there any serious sci fi genre with superman / yes / that the world is over in 2012
[14:33] SheraGolden Infinity: yes that very one
[14:33] Eddi Haskell: do you beleive it?
[14:33] SheraGolden Infinity: Not really.
[14:33] Jago Constantine: no one really does / its like nostradamus / or horoscopes
[14:33] SheraGolden Infinity: And even if i did, so what?
[14:33] Jago Constantine: its fun to talk about
[14:33] Eddi Haskell: i do not beleive it / you know why?
[14:33] Jago Constantine: the good thing about the so-called mayan prophecy is
[14:33] SheraGolden Infinity: why? / yes?
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: well jago is speaking so
[14:34] Jago Constantine: that the world is ending and unlike the christian apocalypse there's nothing you can do about it / like you don't have to reform your life / you're not going to be punished or whatever
[14:34] SheraGolden Infinity: What of the islamic prophecy of the 12th Imam?
[14:34] Jago Constantine: so you have the fun of the end of the world with any obligation / without any / I don't know much about that prophecy shera
[14:34] SheraGolden Infinity: Fear of commitment anyone? ;)
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: i do not beleive iin prophecy and if I did it was not be mayan for one reason
[14:34] Jago Constantine: let me guess / they didn't predict the spanish
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: no / the reason is that committed human sacrifice
[14:35] SheraGolden Infinity giggles / eeuuwww
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: any culture that did this does not have knowledge of anything
[14:35] Jago Constantine: why would that negate their prophecy?
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: well
[14:35] Jago Constantine: thats an ad hominem argument
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: because i tihnk so
[14:35] Jago Constantine: I think my reason is better
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: because it is evil / well ok
[14:35] Jago Constantine: sure but evil people could theoretically make prophecies
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: sure / or someone from the future / came and told them
[14:35] SheraGolden Infinity: Aliens
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:36] Jago Constantine: yeah
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: i think time travel is possible / i think time can be done in either direction
[14:36] SheraGolden Infinity: That is a bold statement
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: iyes / yes / it all depends on what your perspective is / this sounds crazy / but there is something i cant get out of my head / the universe is expanding / faster / most poeple thought 50 years ago / the unvierse is slowing down as it expands / and at some point
[14:37] Paolo Alfa: the latest theories on time travel think it's a mental ability, not a technical thing
[14:37] Eddi Haskell: it will collapese / what is the latest theory?
[14:37] Jago Constantine: yeah now it will expand forever / faster and faster
[14:37] Eddi Haskell: it depends on your perspective / if you are vieing it from a reverse future / its coming back to one point / like it you were to make a movie / of the universe expanding
[14:38] Paolo Alfa: the one by Finney, "Time and Again"
[14:38] Eddi Haskell: if you run it in reverse its contracting / tima and again is a book?
[14:38] Jago Constantine: I think I read that one whats it about?
[14:38] SheraGolden Infinity: This is a lovely home.
[14:38] Eddi Haskell: its like a store
[14:38] SheraGolden Infinity: Nice
[14:39] Paolo Alfa: About a way of Time Travel by disciplined thinking
[14:39] Eddi Haskell: yeah / so what if you lived in a world / where all the projectors ran in reverse / where time ran in reverse / the universe was contracting as far as you were to lknow right? / here is the getchya / according to proponents of some modern physics / such a world exists / what if someone could travel to that world? / an alternative dimension / hence time travel
[14:40] Jago Constantine: hmm ok
[14:40] Eddi Haskell: and here is another gotcha / all that alternative world is / is another interprietation of the energy and matter and laws of physics of this one / what if a viewer can be consturcted
[14:41] Jago Constantine: hmm
[14:41] Eddi Haskell: the numbver one thing in physics today / is called string theory / that everything we see / is constucted of vibrating "strings" / perhaps 13 or 47 / they dont know / and it is how they interact with each otgher / that determines our existence / jago thinks im crazy when i talk this way lol / so
[14:42] SheraGolden Infinity: I'm confused
[14:42] Eddi Haskell: so is eveyrone else about string theory / that is why its theory / all matter / energy / time
[14:42] Jago Constantine: yeah me too / lol
[14:42] Eddi Haskell: everything is related / matter and energy are the same thing
[14:42] SheraGolden Infinity: That makes some sense
[14:43] Eddi Haskell: string theory is this / 13 - 47 "forces" / not energy / or strings / are the common base for eveyrthing / how they interact determines everything / as soon as they discover a part of something
[14:43] SheraGolden Infinity: Is it random?
[14:43] Eddi Haskell: a quark / yes and no / it is at the point where "string theory" / is the only thing you can get a postion in at a university in a phycsics deparement / i will be honest with you / i dont get it / i do know / if you take a movie projectro / and run it backwards / that is a time machine / it shows images going backwards in time
[14:44] Jago Constantine: hehe
[14:44] Eddi Haskell: taking that logic / why cant there be others?
[14:44] SheraGolden Infinity: I have a confession to make...
[14:44] Eddi Haskell: what
[14:44] SheraGolden Infinity: I am a time traveler
[14:44] Eddi Haskell: yes / how do you know? / tell us / i feel that way / sometimes
[14:45] SheraGolden Infinity: So far i can only travel forward in time and it takes 24 hours to move forward a single day... but it works
[14:45] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:45] SheraGolden Infinity: That was a joke ;)
[14:45] Eddi Haskell: hello lizz welcome
[14:45] SheraGolden Infinity: Say hello to me dear friend Lizzz
[14:45] Eddi Haskell: oh sometimes i think i am / hi lizz!
[14:45] Lizzz Gothly: hello all
[14:45] Jago Constantine: Hi, Lizzz :)
[14:45] Eddi Haskell: this is actually a cool meeting / i susually do ims
[14:45] Jago Constantine: we're discussing science fiction / well actually a whole range of things
[14:46] Lizzz Gothly: right
[14:46] Jago Constantine: So Paolo have you read any sci fi lately?
[14:46] SheraGolden Infinity: I think science fiction and real science get mixed up
[14:46] Paolo Alfa: I'm rereading Lord Valentines Castle
[14:46] Lizzz Gothly: anybody read and see "the time travellers wife"?
[14:47] Jago Constantine: Oh I haven't but I want to :)
[14:47] Eddi Haskell: its a movie?
[14:47] Jago Constantine: I love Lord Valentine's Castle
[14:47] Lizzz Gothly: a book firstly.. a move after that
[14:47] Jago Constantine: the later books get progressively less good though hehe
[14:47] Lizzz Gothly: movie / taps the microphone
[14:47] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:47] SheraGolden Infinity: :)
[14:47] Jago Constantine: so what is time travellers wife about?
[14:47] Lizzz Gothly: just testing
[14:47] Paolo Alfa: They always do
[14:47] Jago Constantine: apart from the obvious
[14:47] SheraGolden Infinity: Shhhhh Lizz is about to speak
[14:47] Lizzz Gothly: I wasn;t about to / but the time travellers wife is about.. time travle / in a rather chaotic state
[14:48] Jago Constantine: chaotic in what way?
[14:48] Lizzz Gothly: in that the travel is uncontrolled
[14:48] Jago Constantine: oh cool
[14:48] Lizzz Gothly: not only as to what time is travlled to but when it occurs too / however it is as much a romance as a sci fi
[14:48] Jago Constantine: wow / ok ... so that would put a strain on a marriage / :P
[14:49] Lizzz Gothly: a considerable one yes
[14:49] Jago Constantine: I suppose you recommend it if you've seen the movie and read the book?
[14:49] Lizzz Gothly: what about that quaint english film .. called "all about time travel"?
[14:49] Jago Constantine: I haven't seen that one
[14:49] Lizzz Gothly: yes I would / thats a comedy, romance and sci fi
[14:50] Eddi Haskell: ii like english movies
[14:50] Paolo Alfa: how does he travel, just randomly?
[14:50] SheraGolden Infinity: What a delightful combination
[14:50] Lizzz Gothly: so... do androids dream of electric sheep?
[14:50] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:50] SheraGolden Infinity: :)
[14:50] Jago Constantine: Ok folks it's 3pm and I have to log
[14:50] Lizzz Gothly: in the time travellers wife yes, he travels at random and his clothes etc cannot travel with him
[14:50] SheraGolden Infinity: awwwww :(
[14:50] Eddi Haskell: bye everyone
[14:50] Lizzz Gothly: Bye bye
[14:50] Eddi Haskell: ifyo come next week there may be a reading
[14:50] Jago Constantine: we meet here every week at 2pm saturday
[14:50] Lizzz Gothly: oh... ok
[14:50] Jago Constantine: yes next week we'll be listening to a recorded story / a podcast episode
[14:50] SheraGolden Infinity: It was nice meeting everyone :)
[14:51] Jago Constantine: nice to meet you two, too
[14:51] Eddi Haskell: nice meeting you too
[14:51] Paolo Alfa: thank you, nice meeting
[14:51] Lizzz Gothly: yes.. delighted
[14:51] Jago Constantine: cya next week paolo!