5 September 2009

[13:56] Eddi Haskell: such slow rez
[13:56] Flawnt Alchemi: hi LL.
[13:56] Flawnt Alchemi: "all" ;-)
[13:56] Shadowen Silvera: howdy
[13:57] Eddi Haskell: hiya flawnt
[13:57] Eddi Haskell: hi SS
[13:58] Flawnt Alchemi is it heiSS or is it me...
[13:58] Jago Constantine: Hey, Shadowen - cool avatar
[13:59] Flawnt Alchemi: hi camilla dear
[13:59] Shadowen Silvera: thanks
[13:59] Camilla Delvalle: hello flawnt
[13:59] Flawnt Alchemi: did you get a new haircut, camilla?
[13:59] Flawnt Alchemi snorts.
[13:59] Camilla Delvalle: maybe
[14:00] Simeon Beresford: hi folks
[14:00] Karl Mearkus: Hi everyone
[14:00] Jago Constantine: Hi, everyone :)
[14:00] Jago Constantine: Thanks for coming to Science Fiction Saturday!
[14:00] Jago Constantine: And thanks again to our hosts at Bookstacks
[14:01] Flawnt Alchemi claps, muffled.
[14:01] Jago Constantine: As usual, we'll go round the group and talk about what we've read during the week
[14:01] Jago Constantine: I'll begin by talking about the book I read - Hunter's Run
[14:02] Jago Constantine: It was written by Gardner Dozois, George R R Martin and Daniel Abrahams
[14:02] Jago Constantine: It was a long collaboration, originally between the first two authors, but they never finished
[14:02] Jago Constantine: it was completed a few years ago by Abrahams
[14:03] Jago Constantine: Anyway, it's a pretty light weight novel about a man being chased by aliens on a largely wilderness-type world
[14:04] Jago Constantine: the twist is that one of the aliens is actually a clone of him, and it's written from the clone's perspective
[14:04] Flawnt Alchemi: neat
[14:04] Jago Constantine: I thought it was alright, but I'm glad I got it from the library instead of paying for it :)
[14:05] Jago Constantine: Welcome, Coach
[14:05] Flawnt Alchemi: what didnt work in it?
[14:05] Coach Bravin: Hi Jago
[14:05] Flawnt Alchemi: or rather why didnt it work for ya
[14:05] Coach Bravin: Hi all
[14:06] Jago Constantine: Well, it was just written at too low a level for me
[14:06] Camilla Delvalle: i have read book by george rr marting
[14:06] Jago Constantine: I felt I was reading a young adult novel or something
[14:06] Jago Constantine: maybe that was it
[14:06] Camilla Delvalle: how do you mean low level?
[14:06] Flawnt Alchemi: you mean the language?
[14:06] Jago Constantine: Yes, I think so
[14:07] Flawnt Alchemi: ursula le guin writes at that level, too, sometimes
[14:07] Eddi Haskell gave you Incident at Oak Ridge, Terry Bisson.
[14:07] Flawnt Alchemi: but she still hits my spot every time
[14:07] Camilla Delvalle: interesting that it had three authors
[14:07] Flawnt Alchemi: actually a lot of times...
[14:07] Jago Constantine: Maybe I didn't like the fact that it was mostly set in the wilderness, and that isn't my thing
[14:07] Jago Constantine: It's hard to say
[14:07] Flawnt Alchemi shudders - wilderness
[14:07] Camilla Delvalle: did you notice the style of the differnt writers?
[14:07] Jago Constantine: the background civilization isn't very well fleshed out either
[14:07] Jago Constantine: No it's hard to spot and signs of that
[14:08] Jago Constantine: It was co-written by Dozois and Martin when they were young authors decades ago
[14:08] Flawnt Alchemi wonders about other (better) multi author collaborations
[14:08] Jago Constantine: and completed by newish author Abrahams
[14:08] Jago Constantine: Welcome, Pasirto
[14:08] Flawnt Alchemi: brothers strugatzky are a brilliant example. you wouldnt know it.
[14:08] Simeon Beresford: only thing of abrahams I have read is his short "Flat Diane", which was very good
[14:09] Camilla Delvalle: george rr martin usually has a lot of details
[14:09] Jago Constantine: Actually, it feels a lot like a 1970s sci fi novel, which is understandable given when it was begun
[14:09] Jago Constantine: Yes, well it's nothing like Martin's later works
[14:09] Camilla Delvalle: how is 1970 sf?
[14:10] Tillery Woodhen is Online
[14:10] Jago Constantine: Heh don't ask me to try and pin it down, it's just a feeling
[14:10] Simeon Beresford: pre or post star wars?
[14:10] Jago Constantine: Hmm... not sure when it was begun
[14:11] Simeon Beresford: star wars kicked of a return to space opera
[14:11] Jago Constantine: This isn't really space opera - it's planetbound
[14:11] Simeon Beresford: but action adventure ?
[14:11] Jago Constantine: Yeah, it's action
[14:11] Simeon Beresford: nods
[14:12] Camilla Delvalle: i dont think i would like a novel by a man hunted by aliens in the wilderness either
[14:12] Flawnt Alchemi wishes for some action. writes down "more action".
[14:12] Jago Constantine: Anyway ... Shadowen - have you read any good books lately?
[14:12] Shadowen Silvera: Always :)
[14:13] Flawnt Alchemi laffs.
[14:13] Jago Constantine: Heh please share
[14:13] Shadowen Silvera: typing
[14:13] Shadowen Silvera: I have the typing sound turned off so please be patient
[14:13] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:15] Shadowen Silvera: Unfortunately the library delivered several books at once that I had put on hold so I haven't been able to finish them yet. Currently reading: Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson, Mona Lisa Overdrive by William Gibson, The Losers by David Eddings, Flow my tears the Police Man said by phillip k dick
[14:15] Shadowen Silvera: a few others but they are not scifi
[14:15] Raver Xeno is Online
[14:15] Jago Constantine: Nice
[14:15] Jago Constantine: Which one are you liking the most?
[14:15] Jago Constantine: Welcome, Justine
[14:16] Camilla Delvalle: i have read by eddings and gibson
[14:16] Justine Rhapsody: Thanks, hello everyone
[14:16] Flawnt Alchemi raven catching up on human literature? ;-)
[14:16] Shadowen Silvera: Cryptonomicon for the geek elemens, The Losers for the humanistic
[14:16] Camilla Delvalle: hello justine
[14:16] Jago Constantine: Welcome, Arkady
[14:16] Simeon Beresford: the eddings got his usual plot?
[14:16] Flawnt Alchemi: i am curious about "the losers" - havent heard of it
[14:16] Arkady Poliatevska: hi Jago
[14:16] Shadowen Silvera: no the losers is not typical eddings
[14:16] Jago Constantine: Is Losers a fantasy?
[14:17] Shadowen Silvera: Fiction I suppose but it does have a fantastical element
[14:18] Shadowen Silvera: Set in oregon and washington its a sort of good against evil story
[14:18] Shadowen Silvera: not far into it but its good
[14:18] Jago Constantine: Cool
[14:18] Jago Constantine: Thanks :)
[14:18] Eddi Haskell: ir oregon good and washington evil?
[14:18] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:18] Flawnt Alchemi: lol
[14:18] Shadowen Silvera: Hope the good side would be oregon cause otherwise im living in the wrong state
[14:19] Eddi Haskell: well at least they know how to say please and thank you there , not like seattle
[14:19] Jago Constantine: Ok, Eddi - have you read anything this week?
[14:19] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:19] Eddi Haskell: i caught my attention
[14:19] Jago Constantine: Welcome, Nolligan
[14:19] Eddi Haskell: the story was by Terry Bissson
[14:19] Eddi Haskell: it was called return to oakridge
[14:19] Nolligan Nino: hi
[14:19] Nolligan's Google Translator: जागो Constantine
[14:19] Eddi Haskell: i gave a note card to jago with the story on it
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: on nolligan
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: its about a time warp
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: well it was really good but i cant figure out the ending
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: has anyone read the story ?
[14:20] Flawnt Alchemi: nope
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: he won a big award for it
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: well
[14:20] Nolligan Nino: soz didn't see you
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: its like the philadelphia experiment
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: yah i dont see some people
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: and
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: two guys go back to 1944
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: they end up in oakridge
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: where the uranium isoptop was purified or something
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: im sure others nhere know more about this than me
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: and
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: then at the end
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: there true selves
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: meet them and everyone tries to kill everyone lese
[14:21] Shadowen Silvera: sorry jago groups are full
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: else
[14:21] Nolligan Nino: me too
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: see
[14:22] Simeon Beresford: lol
[14:22] Eddi Haskell: if they interfere with oakridge, they interfere with the manhattan project
[14:22] Eddi Haskell: and then
[14:22] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:22] Simeon Beresford: sumss up so many plots
[14:22] Eddi Haskell: who knows that would have happened
[14:22] Arkady Poliatevska: the beaver is never born?
[14:22] Eddi Haskell: but its really good i just cant figure out the quantum at the end
[14:22] Jago Constantine: lol Arkady
[14:23] Eddi Haskell: yes the beaver might not be born, hugh beaumonth might have been part of operation coronet
[14:23] Arkady Poliatevska: too old a reference for many
[14:23] Eddi Haskell: and barbara billigsley could have become a dyke biker, who knows?
[14:23] Jago Constantine: Yes :P
[14:23] Arkady Poliatevska: :)
[14:23] Camilla Delvalle: never heard of :)
[14:23] Jago Constantine: Ok, thanks, Eddi
[14:23] Eddi Haskell: Im named after a very famous obnoxious teenager, eddi haskell
[14:23] Jago Constantine: Nolligan - have you read any sci fi this week?
[14:24] Shadowen Silvera: I've been musing to myself as to what the world would be like if the hindenburg disaster hadnt happened.
[14:24] Nolligan Nino: not this week
[14:24] Camilla Delvalle: it would be nice with airships
[14:24] Shadowen Silvera: oops wrong window
[14:24] Jago Constantine: Ok, no worries :)
[14:24] Arkady Poliatevska: some other airship would have bloen up spectaculalry
[14:24] Jago Constantine: lol shadowen
[14:24] Justine Rhapsody: Airships are so beautiful
[14:25] Nolligan Nino: but I recently re-read a classic - the land ironclads by HG Wells
[14:25] Eddi Haskell: and nothing famous would have ever happened in new jersey except mob killings
[14:25] Jago Constantine: Cool
[14:25] Arkady Poliatevska: in france in ther early twentieth century..
[14:25] Jago Constantine: I haven't read that
[14:25] Flawnt Alchemi: me neither
[14:25] Eddi Haskell: is it about tanks?
[14:25] Arkady Poliatevska: the very first concrete buidings were airship hangers
[14:25] Arkady Poliatevska: because they caught fire so freqquently
[14:26] Nolligan Nino: written in 1910 it imagines a european war that is resolved by the use of 'tanks' essentially
[14:26] Jago Constantine: Cool ... I wonder how prescient it was?
[14:26] Eddi Haskell: well tanks were thought up in 1914 under churchills juridiction
[14:26] Jago Constantine: I mean maybe the writing was already on the wall
[14:26] Jago Constantine: tank-wise
[14:26] Nolligan Nino: I don't think so
[14:26] Eddi Haskell: they were invented to end trench warefare
[14:27] Nolligan Nino: nobody expected trenches - it was wars of movement pre 1914
[14:27] Flawnt Alchemi: interesting.
[14:27] Camilla Delvalle: they didnt know there could be such a great war at that time
[14:27] Simeon Beresford: were trences in american civil
[14:27] Eddi Haskell: yup. it was the farthest thing from their minds
[14:27] Nolligan Nino: make sme wonder which sci fi writers today will be judged as 'prescient
[14:27] Jago Constantine: "the first description of a tank-like vehicle and its usefulness in trench warfare is found in an H.G. Wells short story, "The Land Ironclads", in the Strand Magazine, December 1903"
[14:27] Eddi Haskell: wow
[14:27] Nolligan Nino: sorry 1903
[14:28] Eddi Haskell: did he visit the future
[14:28] Eddi Haskell: serioulsy
[14:28] Eddi Haskell: how could he see this stuff????????
[14:28] Nolligan Nino: how could Neal Stephenson see a place similar to sl?
[14:28] Eddi Haskell: i wish i coujld do things like that
[14:28] Flawnt Alchemi: wells wasnt a cottage writer...he was on top of science in his time and knew everyone who know anything
[14:28] Shadowen Silvera: Imagination combined with current information
[14:29] Jago Constantine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank#History
[14:29] Flawnt Alchemi: fabians, russell...plus the world was actually simple then (or was it?)
[14:29] Eddi Haskell gave you jago oil.
[14:29] Camilla Delvalle: There were ironclads on the sea, so it would not be a far leap to imagine ironclad wagons powdered by steam or something
[14:29] Shadowen Silvera: If you know it could be possible but doesnt exist (yet) its fun to imagine what it would be like if it was. with enough clues you can come up with a good idea
[14:29] Simeon Beresford: all the scientific heavy weights new big changes in the air
[14:30] Camilla Delvalle: they also had trains, so they could think up trains without rails
[14:30] Jago Constantine: Yes
[14:30] Eddi Haskell: yes the first ironclad le gloirie 1858 france
[14:30] Simeon Beresford: and wells new them all
[14:30] Jago Constantine: That wikipedia link mentions some ideas for use of steam vehicles in war
[14:30] Nolligan Nino: easy to say with hindsight
[14:30] Eddi Haskell: well necessity is the mother of invention and they needed tanks
[14:31] Jago Constantine: So Nolligan - is it a good read, or is it just notable for its prediction of tanks?
[14:31] Shadowen Silvera: makes one wonder if there will ever be battle suits ala heinlein's starship troopers
[14:31] Eddi Haskell: iwant to read it
[14:31] Camilla Delvalle: or mechas like in anime
[14:31] Nolligan Nino: quite a good read , quite short too
[14:31] Nolligan Nino: good but not brilliant
[14:32] Nolligan Nino: but I like HG Wells generally
[14:32] Eddi Haskell: who cares about that will there be hot shower scenes with casper van dien again?
[14:32] Flawnt Alchemi: /e nods nolligan
[14:32] Jago Constantine: http://www.zeitcom.com/majgen/60w-1_landironclads.html
[14:32] Jago Constantine: That's the story online
[14:32] Flawnt Alchemi: ty jago
[14:32] Jago Constantine: lol eddi
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Ok, thanks, Nolligan
[14:32] Nolligan Nino: :-)
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Karl - have you got a book report for us?
[14:33] Karl Mearkus: Nope, didn't get to any SF this week
[14:33] Jago Constantine: Ok :)
[14:33] Jago Constantine: Justine?
[14:33] Karl Mearkus: I'm just here to hoover up all your tips ;)
[14:33] Eddi Haskell: dont you feell guillty when you say that? i do.
[14:33] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:33] Flawnt Alchemi hides.
[14:34] Justine Rhapsody: oh yes,
[14:34] Jago Constantine: heh wb justine :)
[14:34] Justine Rhapsody: lol you caught me
[14:34] Justine Rhapsody: I am reading Beggars and Choosers by Nancy Kress, the second in the trilogy.
[14:34] Jago Constantine: Oh, I was just listening to an interview with her
[14:35] Justine Rhapsody: I like these books, her characterizations are wonderful.
[14:35] Justine Rhapsody: Oh really!
[14:35] Simeon Beresford: the folks that dont sleep?
[14:35] Jago Constantine: an old one from The Future and You podcast
[14:35] Shadowen Silvera: thanks
[14:35] Jago Constantine: like a few years old
[14:35] Justine Rhapsody: yes the sleepless and then there are super sleepless lol
[14:35] Justine Rhapsody: Yes they are. I only recently discovered that I like her writing, so went back and got those.
[14:35] Jago Constantine: And how does it compare to the first book?
[14:36] Justine Rhapsody: oh its a good continuation
[14:36] Justine Rhapsody: she brings in a various concepts, nano,
[14:37] Justine Rhapsody: and i especially like how she creates the supersleepless as having new ways of thinking, completely different than humans can think now.
[14:37] Jago Constantine: Here are 6 episodes of the future and you with Kress http://www.thefutureandyou.libsyn.com/?search_string=kress&Submit=Search&search=1
[14:38] Jago Constantine: It's a great podcast, I only just discovered it. Really wonderful
[14:38] Simeon Beresford: always have problems with none human thinking how can humans right about it?
[14:38] Jago Constantine: I think it would be hard for an author to try to write a character that is either superintelligent or thinks in a radically different way
[14:38] Justine Rhapsody: ok thanks :)
[14:39] Shadowen Silvera: Jago: try the alien intelligence game sometime. it's fun.
[14:39] Jago Constantine: Of course, being an author you're omniscient anyway lol
[14:39] Justine Rhapsody: well it is, but she does a good job of describing it - they create all kinds of association thinking with images words etc all rolled in together.
[14:39] Shadowen Silvera: sometimes called higher power
[14:39] Eddi Haskell: like a 12 step program.
[14:40] Jago Constantine: thanks, shadowen
[14:40] Justine Rhapsody: alien intelligence game?
[14:40] Simeon Beresford: think most heros are super intelligent the author takes three days to pick an action the hero has 3 seconds for.
[14:40] Jago Constantine: true
[14:40] Jago Constantine: So I assume you're going on to read the third book, Justine?
[14:41] Shadowen Silvera: you assume the aspect of a higher power/alien intelligence and then have a friend ask meaninful questions.. like "why are we here" you then answer as if you are a higher intelligence: ie "Nobody knows but it is the journey that counts" my example is lame but you get that idea.. its a sort of stream of consciousness exercise
[14:41] Justine Rhapsody: Yes I am. Though now I have Paul McAuley's new Quiet War ordered so have to read that one first.
[14:41] Camilla Delvalle: sounds difficult
[14:41] Jago Constantine: I want to read that one too
[14:41] Jago Constantine: Quiet War
[14:42] Justine Rhapsody: Yes I love that kind of space opera with ideas.
[14:42] Jago Constantine: Thanks, Justine ... Ok, Arkady? Anything to report?
[14:42] Arkady Poliatevska: I will just obseve this time
[14:42] Arkady Poliatevska: if thats okay
[14:42] Jago Constantine: Sure :)
[14:43] Jago Constantine: Flawnt, I see you crouching down back there
[14:43] Jago Constantine: :P
[14:43] Flawnt Alchemi whistles.
[14:43] Kyo Rogozarski is Offline
[14:43] Flawnt Alchemi: ya, i havent read any SF. torturing myself with flaubert on my left and alison lurie on my right
[14:43] Jago Constantine: Heh no worries
[14:43] Eddi Haskell: are they avatars?
[14:43] Justine Rhapsody: lol
[14:43] Eddi Haskell: sounds hot
[14:43] Flawnt Alchemi wipes the sweat off his brow
[14:44] Jago Constantine: Ok, Camilla ... your turn!
[14:44] Camilla Delvalle: can you tell me of flaubert maybe? im interested in him because people says he writhes good
[14:44] Flawnt Alchemi: lol eddi. but they're dirty ;)
[14:44] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:44] Flawnt Alchemi: he's a style guru
[14:44] Camilla Delvalle: shall i talk?
[14:44] Flawnt Alchemi nods camilla - later.
[14:44] Jago Constantine: If you have read some sci fi :)
[14:44] Camilla Delvalle: ok i can talk about haibane renmei
[14:44] Camilla Delvalle: although it is fantasy
[14:45] Jago Constantine: Nice :)
[14:45] Jago Constantine: Another anime I like :)
[14:45] Simeon Beresford: more manga?
[14:45] Camilla Delvalle: it is a anime, japanese series
[14:45] Simeon Beresford: ah
[14:45] Camilla Delvalle: so you like it?
[14:45] Jago Constantine: Yes, it's sweet
[14:45] Camilla Delvalle: it is about a girl who is reborn as an angel
[14:45] Camilla Delvalle: in a strange town
[14:45] Camilla Delvalle: and there are other angels but mostly humans
[14:46] Camilla Delvalle: she gets winds
[14:46] Camilla Delvalle: but her halo will not stick so they have to use metal wire to keep it in place
[14:46] Camilla Delvalle: but they are like disciminated
[14:46] Camilla Delvalle: because she can only wear used clothes
[14:46] Flawnt Alchemi gets wind, too.
[14:47] Camilla Delvalle: and they cant have money
[14:47] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:47] Camilla Delvalle: the angels are cool
[14:47] Camilla Delvalle: there is a leader who is called Reki
[14:47] Jago Constantine: Yes, the angels are called haibane in the show
[14:47] Flawnt Alchemi likes it.
[14:47] Jago Constantine: which I think is a japanese pronunciation of heaven
[14:47] Camilla Delvalle: and she smokes cigarrettes
[14:48] Camilla Delvalle: it is very calm series
[14:48] Camilla Delvalle: i like it because it is not hysterical or shrieky like many other
[14:48] Jago Constantine: I hate those shrieky hyperactive anime series :P
[14:48] Camilla Delvalle: it is a bit religious but not so that it disturbs
[14:48] Jago Constantine: Excel Saga for instance
[14:48] Camilla Delvalle: it is much about existential questions
[14:49] Camilla Delvalle: and friendship and such
[14:49] Jago Constantine: Yes, I think it's just a japanese author using angel symbolism mostly
[14:49] Jago Constantine: in the same way they might pick out ancient greek or aztec just because they think it's cool
[14:49] Camilla Delvalle: it not so much plotdrivet
[14:49] Camilla Delvalle: more character driven, with low tempo
[14:49] Camilla Delvalle: very nice
[14:49] Camilla Delvalle: questions?
[14:49] Flawnt Alchemi: arent "angels" outside of the japanese....spiritual world? (not that i have any clue)
[14:50] Jago Constantine: Well they'd have a conception of them from western sources
[14:50] Simeon Beresford: yes
[14:50] Flawnt Alchemi: it is a rather interesting choice then i suppose.
[14:51] Flawnt Alchemi wonders what the equivalent would be for a western writer.
[14:51] Camilla Delvalle: the creator said that it was inspired by religions, but he would not say which
[14:51] Jago Constantine: It's kind of whimsical in the manner of hayao miyazaki in some places
[14:51] Camilla Delvalle: yes
[14:51] Jago Constantine: although not too surreal
[14:52] Camilla Delvalle: it is not entirey logical
[14:52] Simeon Beresford: japanese do thinngs to to western culture that are as wrong as some of the things we do to eastern cultures not much resembance.
[14:52] Jago Constantine: yes
[14:52] Jago Constantine: it's probably as realistic as our conception of zen for example
[14:52] Jago Constantine: a popular conception
[14:52] Flawnt Alchemi nods. good example.
[14:52] Simeon Beresford: you have to put away the part of you that says " thats just wrrong".
[14:52] Jago Constantine: or hinduism
[14:53] Jago Constantine: Ok, Simon ... you had a sci fi author speak during the week didn't you?
[14:53] Eddi Haskell: yeah ever have a big mac in tokyo? you can gag
[14:53] Flawnt Alchemi wonders if modern sci fi is more culturally transgressive or not
[14:53] Jago Constantine: Thanks, Camilla :)
[14:53] Jago Constantine: transgressive in what sense?
[14:54] Flawnt Alchemi will teleport to second tokyo later to gag on a mac
[14:54] Simeon Beresford: there was one at one virtualy speaking I think
[14:54] Simeon Beresford: ours is tomorrow
[14:54] Jago Constantine: Ok, I thought I got a notice from bookstacks during the week :P
[14:54] Simeon Beresford: we cross promote
[14:54] Flawnt Alchemi: jago: in the sense of using symbols etc from other cultures
[14:54] Jago Constantine: Ok, it was the Tobias Buckell podcast
[14:55] Jago Constantine: my mistake
[14:55] Simeon Beresford: yes at one oclock tomorrow
[14:55] Simeon Beresford: we will be recording in world
[14:55] Jago Constantine: well, I think authors today, flawnt, have access to better information about other cultures through the internet
[14:55] Flawnt Alchemi: ... and turning it into something new and really interesting.
[14:55] Simeon Beresford: and there will be a q&a after with the audience
[14:55] Flawnt Alchemi: i am wondering how real that information is...
[14:56] Arkady Poliatevska: thank you all I must go
[14:56] Jago Constantine: and I expect there's a lot of incentive to be the first to exploit a different culture for a story
[14:56] Simeon Beresford: nods
[14:56] Flawnt Alchemi nods.
[14:56] Simeon Beresford: bye arkady
[14:56] Nolligan Nino: bye
[14:56] Flawnt Alchemi waves
[14:56] Jago Constantine: Let's see - there's Ian McDonald's River of Gods
[14:56] Justine Rhapsody: bye
[14:57] Justine Rhapsody: Oh I loved that book River of Gods.
[14:57] Jago Constantine: a major one from recent years set in India
[14:57] Simeon Beresford: coulld I plug our meet to set up some reading groups tommorrow at two as weel
[14:57] Jago Constantine: absolutely fantastic book
[14:57] Flawnt Alchemi: i am just astounded how culturally provincial most sci fi still seems to be...
[14:57] Flawnt Alchemi: thanks will check that out.
[14:57] Jago Constantine: sure simeon
[14:57] Flawnt Alchemi nods - sure simeon
[14:57] Flawnt Alchemi: thanks jago, again!
[14:57] Simeon Beresford: will expect to see every one at both :^)
[14:58] Flawnt Alchemi: bye all
[14:58] Eddi Haskell: bye!
[14:58] Nolligan Nino: bye
[14:58] Jago Constantine: Thanks for coming everyone
[14:58] Simeon Beresford: see you next week
[14:59] Justine Rhapsody: I need to go too
[14:59] Jago Constantine: Back here again next week same time!
[14:59] Simeon Beresford: when I will have finished a book to report on :^)
[14:59] Jago Constantine: And don't forget the off the shelf podcast here tomorrow
[14:59] Jago Constantine: If you'd like to check that out :)
[14:59] Eddi Haskell: happy labour day to you americans
[14:59] Justine Rhapsody: Bye everyone
[15:00] Eddi Haskell: bye!
[15:00] Simeon Beresford: that sounds so socialist
[15:00] Jago Constantine: bye!

4 July 2009: Walpole

[13:24] Melch Savon: Hey Jago -- early for once
[13:24] Jago Constantine: Hey, Melch /cool outfit
[13:24] Melch Savon: Thanks -- found it wandering around last night
[13:25] Jago Constantine: Where from?
[13:25] Melch Savon: let me check the note in inventory
[13:25] Melch Savon: Blue Galaxy. They make you buy it piecemeal though, so it adds up.
[13:25] Jago Constantine: heh
[13:25] Melch Savon: I think I am wearing about L$1500
[13:26] Jago Constantine: I like the mall at Insilico ... some great things there
[13:26] Melch Savon: Insilico remains one of the coolest places I've seen in SL -- not that I have seen it all by any means, but still
[13:26] Melch Savon: I found a 40 foot tall cross in Golden Gate Park yesterday
[13:26] Jago Constantine: RL?
[13:27] Melch Savon: Apparently it is the site that Francis Drake's minister preached the first sermon in English in North America
[13:27] Melch Savon: Yes, wrapping up a guided tour iPhone app
[13:27] Jago Constantine: wow
[13:27] Melch Savon: Doing the park first -- I spent three hours going around and getting latitude / longitude readings.
[13:27] Jago Constantine: there you go / what were the readings for?
[13:29] Melch Savon: So you can say 'how do I get there from wherever I am right now' and I can map it on Google Maps
[13:29] Jago Constantine: ah
[13:29] Melch Savon: Later I'll make a web site where people can make their own tours, or even games where you only find things out if it is a certain time of day.
[13:29] Jago Constantine: hehe
[13:29] Melch Savon: Then I'll add in overlays to reality / Virtual objects on the iPhone screen which is showing what the camera sees, than sort of thing
[13:30] Jago Constantine: cool project
[13:30] Melch Savon: It's a hobby, but the nice thing about being laid off (the only nice thing) is I can work on my projects
[13:30] Jago Constantine: heh
[13:30] Jago Constantine: a man of leisure
[13:31] Melch Savon: Until I can't pay the bills any longer
[13:31] Jago Constantine: yeah
[13:31] Melch Savon: Which means pretty soon I'll have to leave San Francisco for cheaper locales
[13:31] Jago Constantine: somewhere close?
[13:31] Melch Savon: Luckily I own an empty condo in Phoenix. The tenant had to leave, and there is no mortgage, so living there will be cheap / No, not really close / Nor as cool of a place
[13:32] Jago Constantine: ah ... that will be a cultural change
[13:32] Melch Savon: I lived there 4.5 years. Its not like I can do alot while keeping costs to a minimum anyways
[13:32] Jago Constantine: yeah
[13:32] Melch Savon: I have some contract work leads, hopefully they will pan out as well
[13:32] Jago Constantine: great
[13:33] Melch Savon: Enough about my little world though -- what have you been up to?
[13:33] Jago Constantine: well we're still waiting for this parcel to be swapped for zindra land
[13:34] Jago Constantine: the lindens got like 700 swap requests in the first hour I think
[13:34] Melch Savon: Ouch
[13:34] Jago Constantine: they were being processed in order, and we're 10.07am / lol / I think they did like 5 minutes worth / now they paused for the weekend
[13:35] Melch Savon: It's a big holiday here in the US too. They probably left early yesterday. Most businesses never even opened
[13:35] Melch Savon: A bit after this I am heading off to join the festivities myself
[13:36] Jago Constantine: cool
[13:36] Jago Constantine: fireworks and barbecues>
[13:36] Jago Constantine: ?
[13:36] Melch Savon: Well, assuming I don't let myself get sucked into working on the iphone app. I need to wrap it up to start the next project
[13:37] Jago Constantine: heh
[13:37] Melch Savon: Building a web site with professional quality writers tools. You pay $50 to $100 in the store, with $80 a year in upgrades. I'll sell it as a webservice for $3 a month.
[13:37] Jago Constantine: cool
[13:38] Melch Savon: A friend of mine just left the board of a screenwriters association -- if I make a version that formats for screenwriters, he says he'll push it in his group
[13:38] Melch Savon: For a revenue split of course
[13:38] Jago Constantine: hehe
[13:38] Melch Savon: Yeah, there's lots of cool stuff that can be done out there
[13:38] Jago Constantine: indeed
[13:40] Melch Savon: oh, and I continue to fight the urge to learn to build in SL. I just don't think I have as much hope of making $ there.
[13:41] Melch Savon pauses ... he does too much at once, doesn't he?
[13:41] Jago Constantine: heh ... I have a lot of things going on too :P / I think it's achievable to break even with SL
[13:42] Melch Savon: Sure -- but make a living? Some people do, but I think the odds are against you
[13:42] Jago Constantine: well if you make a good product ...
[13:43] Jago Constantine: I mean, I sell t-shirts with national flags on them
[13:43] Jago Constantine: they're not too great, but I sell 1 a day for L$50
[13:43] Melch Savon: Hmm .. . I have never tried, so I have to go with your experience here
[13:43] Jago Constantine: lol / with no marketing
[13:43] Melch Savon: That's pretty nice actually
[13:43] Jago Constantine: they just keep going out through xstreetsl
[13:44] Jago Constantine: and I don't even have a US flag :P
[13:44] Jago Constantine: I sold a bunch for canada day this week
[13:44] Jago Constantine: this is papua new guinea
[13:44] Melch Savon: Should have done the US. We celebrate being a country today
[13:45] Jago Constantine: yeah lol
[13:45] Melch Savon: I'm sure lots of people were looking for it
[13:45] Jago Constantine: I'll have it done for next year / Because it's more of a hobby (I plan to have all the flags eventually) / I'm not fussed about doing the US first :P
[13:46] Melch Savon: It would have been a product of opportunity anyways. No one would buy it tomorrow
[13:46] Melch Savon: THat is a really nicely done shirt though
[13:46] Jago Constantine: Hey, Cache, welcome
[13:46] Melch Savon: Hello there Cache
[13:46] Cache Forster: Greetings Folks :)
[13:46] Jago Constantine: Cool avatar ... you remind me of teddy roosevelt
[13:47] Melch Savon starts thinking of the puns ... cache fault ... cache hit ... cache miss ...
[13:47] Cache Forster: this avatar "Has been rode hard .....and put up wet"
[13:48] Jago Constantine: lol / have a look around the ship if you want / the meeting is in 10 minutes or so
[13:48] Cache Forster: Thank you
[13:49] Jago Constantine: I'm running a promotions group for zindra residents
[13:49] Jago Constantine: even though I haven't moved yet :P
[13:50] Jago Constantine: we had a big zindrapendence day party last night
[13:50] Melch Savon: Zindrapendence?
[13:50] Jago Constantine: heh independence day/opening of zindra
[13:51] Melch Savon: No, I got it -- I just thought it was funny
[13:51] Jago Constantine: heh / we had about 30+ people on the sim for 4 hours dancing / great dj / SO, Cache, do you always wear that shape?
[13:58] Cache Forster: is this on the continent of Ursala ?
[13:58] Jago Constantine: No, it's not
[13:58] Jago Constantine: I'm waiting for a land swap for my museum upstairs
[13:59] Jago Constantine: Hi, Groove, welcome
[13:59] Jago Constantine: :)
[13:59] Groove Dagger: hello / wow it's hard to get in here
[13:59] Jago Constantine: sorry, did you miss the landmark giver?
[13:59] Melch Savon: Hey Groove
[14:00] Groove Dagger: yeah... first the event teleported me to ground level
[14:00] Jago Constantine: ah strange
[14:00] Cache Forster: soory I am not ignoring your question of trying to be terse -
[14:00] Jago Constantine: Well, it's gone 2pm, so if you would like to sit down we can start :) / Basically for you newcomers, we go round the group and talk about the last science fiction we read / you're welcome to just sit in and audit if you want to
[14:01] Groove Dagger: oh right, i just found out this event a couple hours ago, so i haven't exactly prepared
[14:01] Jago Constantine: No worries :) / You might feel more comfortable when you've heard the rest of us :)
[14:02] Groove Dagger: alrighty then ㋡
[14:02] Jago Constantine: Anyway, I've been re-reading Douglas Adams' 'Mostly Harmless'
[14:03] Jago Constantine: book 5 of his Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy trilogy
[14:03] Jago Constantine: :P
[14:03] Jago Constantine: It's as funny as the other ones, but it has a slightly more cynical or melancholy tone to it
[14:04] Melch Savon: Eddi!
[14:04] Groove Dagger: hello eddi
[14:04] Jago Constantine: Hi, Eddi :)
[14:04] Jago Constantine: we just started
[14:04] Eddi Haskell: hi / rezzing
[14:04] Jago Constantine: Sure
[14:04] Jago Constantine: Anyway there's one hilarious sequence in the novel where Arthur Dent, the hapless protagonist of the series
[14:05] Eddi Haskell: how is everyone
[14:05] Jago Constantine: ends up on a prehistoric planet
[14:05] Jago Constantine: there's an old trope in sci fi about people travelling to primitive times or worlds and introducing technology
[14:06] Jago Constantine: well arthur realises, like many people in the modern world, that he doesn't know much about making things
[14:06] Jago Constantine: so he ends up introducing the one invention he can reliably make
[14:06] Jago Constantine: the sandwich :P
[14:07] Bryce Galbraith: Hi all.
[14:07] Eddi Haskell: hi bryce
[14:07] Groove Dagger: hello bryce
[14:07] Melch Savon waves
[14:07] Jago Constantine: Hi, bryce, welcome
[14:08] Bryce Galbraith: Been a while since I've been able to come by here.
[14:08] Melch Savon: Arthur invents beer?
[14:08] Jago Constantine: heh no ... just the sandwich
[14:08] Melch Savon: The towel?
[14:09] Groove Dagger: i remember that book
[14:09] Melch Savon: *sigh* Civilization must start somewhere I guess
[14:09] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:09] Groove Dagger: i read a single compilation of all 5 (6?) back to back
[14:10] Groove Dagger: the ending was a bit of a downer
[14:10] Jago Constantine: oh did we lose Cache?
[14:10] Jago Constantine: yeah it was
[14:10] Groove Dagger: douglas said that he was depressed when he wrote that one, and he regreted it later
[14:10] Jago Constantine: yeah... that comes across
[14:10] Bryce Galbraith: Are you talking about the last books in the Hitchhiker's series?
[14:11] Groove Dagger: so he was sorta thinking about a 6th book where everyone ends up in the afterlife or something ㋡
[14:11] Jago Constantine: Mostly Harmless
[14:11] Bryce Galbraith: I came in mid-conversation...sorry.
[14:11] Jago Constantine: no worries :)
[14:12] Bryce Galbraith: Yeah, I read the Hitchhiker's series and sometimes give the first three a re-read, but I thought 'So Long and Thanks for All the Fish' and definitely 'Mostly Harmless' kinda went awry.
[14:12] Groove Dagger: yeah fish was a bit strange, a lot of pointless flying...
[14:13] Groove Dagger: i finally saw the tv version, it was all over youtube ㋡ pretty cool
[14:13] Jago Constantine: yeah I like the tv version
[14:14] Jago Constantine: many don't :P
[14:14] Bryce Galbraith: Yeah, I thought the tv version was rather more true to the books. The movie went off into something unrecognizable.
[14:14] Bryce Galbraith: I never heard the radio version though.
[14:14] Groove Dagger: i had the radio version. i dont remember if i finished it
[14:15] Melch Savon: I relistened to it 2 weeks ago -- I still think the radio version is the best
[14:15] Groove Dagger: tv is better, probably. the voice acting is almost the same
[14:16] Groove Dagger: but the radio one is more "complete"
[14:16] Bryce Galbraith: I guess the radio version was really the original and the books came later.
[14:16] Bryce Galbraith: .. and then the tv version after that.
[14:16] Groove Dagger: i'm not sure of that
[14:16] Groove Dagger: i had the order written down somewhere
[14:16] Bryce Galbraith: Did any of you read the 'Dirk Gently' books?
[14:16] Melch Savon: Years ago, yeah.
[14:16] Jago Constantine: yes, I really like them
[14:17] Groove Dagger: oh you're right, radio, book then tv. at least the beginning
[14:17] Jago Constantine: yeah I think thats the order
[14:17] Jago Constantine: and there was a text based computer game
[14:18] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:18] Groove Dagger: oh i have that game memorized
[14:18] Groove Dagger: i played it when it came out on my c-64
[14:18] Bryce Galbraith: Yeah, that's right... from Infocom. I had that :)
[14:18] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:18] Bryce Galbraith: That was actually pretty funny to play... as a text-based game it worked well actually.
[14:18] Groove Dagger: i even had the box and all, with the plastic bag containing a microscopic space fleet :D
[14:18] Bryce Galbraith: Yep! :)
[14:18] Jago Constantine: wow
[14:18] Groove Dagger: and peril sensitive glasses
[14:19] Bryce Galbraith: and the fluff... and I think a 'Don't Panic' button maybe.
[14:19] Groove Dagger: i can play it end to end without reloading, haha
[14:19] Groove Dagger: there's a flash version on the BBC site.
[14:19] Jago Constantine: oh that's cool
[14:20] Groove Dagger: with fan art graphics
[14:20] Groove Dagger: oh also someone found and old hard disk of infocom, with the sequel
[14:20] Jago Constantine: Hi, celt, welcome!
[14:20] Groove Dagger: but it was mostly a draft with two incomplete rooms :D
[14:20] Bryce Galbraith: Hi Celt
[14:20] Groove Dagger: hi celt
[14:21] Jago Constantine: awesome avatar
[14:21] Celt Faith: hello
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: oh lord i thought it was my older sister for a second
[14:21] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: hi there penguin
[14:21] Bryce Galbraith: Yes, very nice av...
[14:21] Celt Faith: ty
[14:21] Groove Dagger: great avie... i need to find how to do that
[14:21] Celt Faith: so what did I miss
[14:22] Jago Constantine: we've been discussing douglas adms
[14:22] Jago Constantine: adams
[14:22] Jago Constantine: I re-read Mostly Harmless
[14:22] Jago Constantine: this week
[14:22] Celt Faith: I have heard the name but I hvae not read anything that he has done
[14:22] Jago Constantine: Ok ... he's a very funny and clever writer
[14:22] Groove Dagger: i played starship titanic also
[14:22] Jago Constantine: he was
[14:22] Celt Faith: starship titanic, there is a new one for me
[14:23] Bryce Galbraith: I'd say Douglas Adams and the Hitchhiker's series was a pretty significant part of my education growing up :) That and Monty Python....
[14:23] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:23] Groove Dagger: lately i've got most of my british humour from PTerry.
[14:24] Jago Constantine: yes, I like his early books better :)
[14:24] Groove Dagger: me too, they're a bit more substance
[14:25] Jago Constantine: Ok, Bryce... read anything good this week?
[14:25] Groove Dagger: adams was a bit more gag-based, but still pretty good
[14:26] Bryce Galbraith: Unfortunately I haven't.... been really busy with work this past week to the exclusion of most everything else :(
[14:26] Jago Constantine: no worries :)
[14:26] Jago Constantine: how about since you were with us last?
[14:27] Bryce Galbraith: I did pick up Vernor Vinge's 'Rainbows End' but I haven't had a chance to get into that yet.
[14:27] Jago Constantine: ok ... that's a good read ... anything of vinge's is :)
[14:28] Bryce Galbraith: I was already reading Stephen Baxter's 'Evolution', which is interesting but fairly long...
[14:29] Bryce Galbraith: Especially earlier in the book when he's more or less writing about different critters running around and all... it gets more interesting later though when humans emerge.
[14:29] Jago Constantine: yes ... I didn't get into that one from memory
[14:31] Bryce Galbraith: I have to say though it's sort of interesting in that there really aren't any 'main' characters really. Oh yeah, there's a couple of characters in the beginning that then pop up later, but they are really there as just a couple of anchoring points for telling a story stretching millions of years.
[14:31] Jago Constantine: yeah
[14:32] Bryce Galbraith: It's fairly ambitious and I have to give Baxter credit for attempting it. I don't think it winds up being the same kind of read as other novels though.
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Baxter is nothing if not ambitious :)
[14:33] Jago Constantine: he usually writes cosmologically or conceptually interesting stuff
[14:33] Bryce Galbraith: That's true... sometimes you have an author that, after you read something of theirs, you just want a simple comic book!
[14:33] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:33] Bryce Galbraith: Yeah, I think my favorite book by Baxter is 'The TIme Ships', which is kind of a sequel to Wells' 'The Time Machine
[14:34] Jago Constantine: I'm not sure what mine is ... maybe Anti-Ice
[14:34] Bryce Galbraith: I love your ship here, btw.
[14:34] Jago Constantine: thanks ... eddi got it as a gift from a designer he photographed for his magazine
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: well i would like ot give all of you and issue of july vr style, it is the steampunk issue, I am creative direcvtor, i reviewed this
[14:35] Jago Constantine: see?
[14:35] Jago Constantine: :P
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: you might recognize the guy on the cover
[14:35] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:35] Melch Savon: Thanks Eddi!
[14:35] Groove Dagger: nice
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: sure!
[14:35] Bryce Galbraith: Cool, thanks Eddi :)
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: sure
[14:36] Groove Dagger: an UI magazine, clever :D
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: ui?
[14:36] Groove Dagger: i'm a bit of a noob, hehe
[14:36] Jago Constantine: HUD magazine
[14:36] Jago Constantine: user interface
[14:36] Groove Dagger: HUD yes
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: yah butu can rex it
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: rez ir
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: im a bit out of it to type now lol
[14:36] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:37] Groove Dagger: i only started SL yesterday
[14:37] Jago Constantine: Oh, wow - welcome!
[14:37] Eddi Haskell: you have a nice name
[14:37] Melch Savon: Wow, welcome Groove!
[14:37] Eddi Haskell: congrats
[14:37] Groove Dagger: thanks
[14:37] Eddi Haskell: if you need clothes let me kknow
[14:37] Groove Dagger: okay i will ㋡
[14:37] Jago Constantine: you've had an account since 2007 tho?
[14:37] Groove Dagger: i got a bunch of freebies from machienenerk or wossname
[14:38] Melch Savon: Hello Marcel
[14:38] Jago Constantine: Hi, Marcel, welcome
[14:38] Marcel Rydell: hi
[14:38] Bryce Galbraith: Hi Marcel
[14:38] Groove Dagger: yes, i installed, got a torch and a chainmail, then got lost and quitted
[14:38] Eddi Haskell: hi marcel!
[14:38] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:38] Groove Dagger: probably lasted 30 minutes, lol
[14:38] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:38] Bryce Galbraith: Well hopefully you'll have a more interesting time this time around :)
[14:39] Groove Dagger: i think so, it seems a bit more streamlined. windows go click and stuff
[14:39] Bryce Galbraith: I remember my first WoW experience....mostly consisting of dying repeatedly.
[14:39] Groove Dagger: i'm actually good at this software stuff... just that SL back then was like trying to fight with MS excel
[14:39] Bryce Galbraith: I think that innoculated me somewhat so I haven't tried WoW since... I just don't think I have the requisite time to invest in that!
[14:39] Jago Constantine: I think with WoW you have to pick your battles
[14:40] Groove Dagger: i started playing CoH a while ago, it was funner than most mmo's i've played
[14:40] Jago Constantine: Anyway ... Eddi hasn't read anything this week, so Melch, how about you?
[14:40] Melch Savon: Yes, but we spoke about it before. I finally read Doctorow's Little Brother
[14:40] Jago Constantine: oh great ... how did you like it?
[14:41] Melch Savon: As always, Cory had an amazing message. I answered some of my own questions from our previous talks, and learnde some new stuff
[14:41] Melch Savon: I think he cheated on getting most internet traffic to being encrypted though
[14:41] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:42] Jago Constantine: I'll take your word on that one
[14:42] Melch Savon: That leads me to think that smart programmers today will encrypt the network traffic for their own programs, so that private conversations won't stand out like they do now
[14:42] Melch Savon: So I put encrypted communications in my current app, though I don't really need them
[14:43] Melch Savon: Beyond that, great book. Also too likely to happen
[14:43] Melch Savon: Americans are much too ready to give up freedom for the illusion of security
[14:43] Groove Dagger: reminds me of the stuff i read at techdirt
[14:43] Melch Savon: techdirt?
[14:43] Groove Dagger: every day about how corporations ban people from whistling on copyrighted tunes
[14:43] Groove Dagger: yes a blog
[14:44] Eddi Haskell: yeh i keep on getting my videos in you tube tagged for content stuff
[14:44] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:44] Groove Dagger: hehe
[14:44] Eddi Haskell: that guy on the cover is jago
[14:45] Melch Savon: Lessig wrote a book, Free Culture, a few years ago addressing that and how it came about
[14:45] Melch Savon: Basically code can find and enforce publishers version of product rights, regardless of the law
[14:45] Jago Constantine: I haven't read that
[14:45] Jago Constantine: good point
[14:46] Melch Savon: So, for example, Alice in Wonderland is clearly out of copright. But Sony Readers don't let you copy its text to a clipboard, or let the reader read it outloud
[14:46] Melch Savon: They are defining the use of cultural public domain to their own ends
[14:46] Melch Savon: interesting stuff
[14:46] Jago Constantine: very
[14:46] Bryce Galbraith: wow
[14:46] Groove Dagger: yes that's exactly the kind of thing the blog covers
[14:47] Bryce Galbraith: what is the blog again?
[14:47] Groove Dagger: techdirt.com
[14:47] Melch Savon: with the DMCA, which makes it illegal to try to circumvent copyright code, fair use no longer applies. The DMCA does not recognize fair use
[14:47] Melch Savon: Yes, just bookmarked it
[14:47] Groove Dagger: i didn't even know it until i randomly started using igoogle, hehe
[14:47] Bryce Galbraith: Thanks for the link....
[14:48] Melch Savon: So essentially companies are now trying to enforce, with code, how the products of the culture are being used, not for the common good, but for their profits
[14:48] Melch Savon: The original purpose of copyright law is totally twisted
[14:48] Jago Constantine: yes
[14:48] Groove Dagger: also, newspapers are trying to copyright news and facts
[14:49] Melch Savon: Exactly -- amazing stuff
[14:49] Jago Constantine: and of course copyright extension
[14:49] Melch Savon: Not many people seem to care either -- which really wierds me out. I talk to them, and they say 'so'?
[14:49] Jago Constantine: mickey mouse and friends
[14:49] Groove Dagger: it's amazing how many people comment on that blog insulting the author and defending the poor widdle corporations
[14:49] Jago Constantine: that's purely for corporate profits
[14:50] Melch Savon: Well, profits are good, but there is a point where it harms the common good
[14:50] Jago Constantine: sure
[14:50] Groove Dagger: yeah
[14:50] Melch Savon: English law in the 1700s recognized that, which is part of why copyright was orginally 17 years with only one etension possible
[14:50] Groove Dagger: then came mickey mouse, lol
[14:51] Jago Constantine: maybe that was related to author lifespan :P
[14:51] Groove Dagger: they turned it to the lifespan, + x years. and kept upping it
[14:51] Melch Savon: It did not cover parodies either -- which is how Disney could take the Steamboat Willile concept from Buster Keaton, and later make it to Mickey Mouse, without paying a dime
[14:51] Groove Dagger: originally, it was more like how pharmaceuticals work: you get n years of exclusivity, then it goes public, whether you are alive or not
[14:51] Melch Savon: Well now it is what, 90 years infinitely renewable in the US?
[14:52] Melch Savon: Groove, exactly
[14:52] Groove Dagger: right now, is author death plus 70 years or so
[14:52] Groove Dagger: which is ridiculous
[14:52] Eddi Haskell: group has an iq of like 150 on average lsitening to you
[14:52] Melch Savon: Law is horribly behind the technology, and lobbyists have put in on a different course
[14:52] Jago Constantine: and if we ever succeed in life extension technology ... it could potentially be centuries even without the +70 years
[14:52] Bryce Galbraith: completely. the patent system is out of control too.
[14:52] Melch Savon: Bull.
[14:53] Jago Constantine: bull what?
[14:53] Melch Savon: 10 to 20 years is plenty to benefit the creator I think. If they want more, create more. How much can one make in 10 years off a popular work?
[14:53] Groove Dagger: an interesting point is that, before copyright, every one of the great works of literature would be infringing it
[14:53] Melch Savon: sorry -- the whole idea of extended like + 70 years
[14:53] Groove Dagger: every single author would be sued by the author before him
[14:54] Groove Dagger: becayse he "copied his idea"
[14:54] Jago Constantine: I hope to read that novel Pride and Prejudice and Zombies soon
[14:54] Bryce Galbraith: Yeah, I have that on my list too....looks interesting.
[14:54] Groove Dagger: that sounds like a great title :D
[14:54] Melch Savon: It's another example of how we should toss the current forms of government and try again. They are becoming enemies of the public good -- and that is really scary
[14:54] Jago Constantine: I wonder if the author's schtick can sustain a whole novel
[14:55] Jago Constantine: it's really just a modified version of pride and prejudice
[14:55] Bryce Galbraith: Yeah... it could be cool or it might just not work too.
[14:55] Groove Dagger: it has good reviews apparently
[14:56] Jago Constantine: Groove, do you want to talk about anything you read recently?
[14:56] Groove Dagger: sure
[14:56] Jago Constantine: I knew you'd come round :P
[14:56] Groove Dagger: well, there are two sci-fi series that are fresh in memory
[14:56] Groove Dagger: the latest i've read, and would at best be pulp sci-fi, is the books of John Carter of Mars
[14:57] Jago Constantine: oh nice
[14:57] Groove Dagger: which btw is in the public domain
[14:57] Jago Constantine: yes
[14:57] Groove Dagger: for anyone who wants to download 'em in guttenberg
[14:57] Jago Constantine: you'd think there'd be a Second Life version of that
[14:57] Jago Constantine: it wouldn't face the problems that the Dune sims did
[14:57] Groove Dagger: the interesting thing about them, is to consider how silly was the whole space-thing considered back in the ... 30s? 40s?can't remember
[14:58] Jago Constantine: maybe 30s
[14:58] Groove Dagger: the science is really whack
[14:58] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:58] Groove Dagger: for instance, it turns out the martians have discovered that light spectrum doesn't have 7 "rays", but 9. and one of those can make giant airships fly
[14:58] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:59] Jago Constantine: yes I remember that
[14:59] Groove Dagger: but it's a fun read. it's very low-tech, with some crazy stuff
[14:59] Groove Dagger: it reminded me of a short story i read in some old compilations of the magazine of Science Fiction and fantasy
[14:59] Bryce Galbraith: Sounds fun... never read the series but I'd like to sometime.
[14:59] Jago Constantine: well they're on gutenberg, so any time :)
[14:59] Groove Dagger: you should, they can be downloaded for free
[15:00] Groove Dagger: i think the last 3 or so books are still copyrighted, but taht still leaves like a dozen free
[15:00] Groove Dagger: this story was incredible: it's the story of Martian astronauts that arrive to Earth
[15:00] Jago Constantine: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/62
[15:00] Groove Dagger: and guess, they discovered that Earth is devoid of life and made up of blue sand
[15:01] Jago Constantine: hmm
[15:01] Groove Dagger: and other silliness. so it's like, 30's pulp martian sci-fi
[15:01] Jago Constantine: so what was the explanation for that?
[15:01] Groove Dagger: the explanation? that's what Martians thought so they made silly sci-fi about earth and blue sand
[15:02] Jago Constantine: ahhhh
[15:02] Groove Dagger: plus, you could grow a money tree if you planted money in the sand
[15:02] Jago Constantine: lol
[15:02] Bryce Galbraith: oh now that would be nice!
[15:02] Groove Dagger: lol
[15:02] Jago Constantine: I get it ... it's like an inverse of our seeing 'seas' on mars
[15:02] Groove Dagger: exactly
[15:03] Jago Constantine: the martians, without seas, imagine blue deserts
[15:03] Groove Dagger: brb
[15:03] Jago Constantine: ok
[15:03] Bryce Galbraith: That does sound kind of cool though -- blue deserts...
[15:03] Jago Constantine: yeah
[15:03] Groove Dagger: back
[15:03] Groove Dagger: the other stuff i've read that i remember is all the neuromancer stuff
[15:03] Jago Constantine: cool, gibson
[15:04] Groove Dagger: i only read it about a couple of years ago
[15:04] Groove Dagger: i don't have many thoughts on that, right now, tho :D
[15:04] Jago Constantine: no worries
[15:04] Groove Dagger: except that it was cool stuff. Gibson said
[15:04] Jago Constantine: the hour is up and it's time for breakfast for me :)
[15:04] Jago Constantine: go on, groove
[15:04] Groove Dagger: hehe
[15:04] Groove Dagger: "had i know anything about computers, i wouldn't have written it"
[15:04] Jago Constantine: lol
[15:05] Jago Constantine: he will be the edgar rice burroughs of cyberpunk :P
[15:05] Groove Dagger: yeah
[15:05] Groove Dagger: funny, he pretty much invented cyberpunk, and most computer fans try to emulate him
[15:05] Jago Constantine: yes, it's huge
[15:05] Jago Constantine: I will try to get a venue in Insilico next saturday
[15:06] Groove Dagger: he made more realistic stuff later, something called the Bridge series iirc
[15:06] Groove Dagger: ok
[15:06] Bryce Galbraith: Yeah, I should head out and get on with some other things I need to work on. Nice talking with you all!
[15:06] Jago Constantine: hopefully I'll have got this land swapped for a parcel in zindra by then
[15:06] Groove Dagger: it was nice talking
[15:06] Melch Savon: bye al
[15:06] Eddi Haskell: would anyone want to write about sci fi in sl in the magazine?
[15:06] Jago Constantine: thanks for coming :)
[15:06] Groove Dagger: cool runnings
[15:06] Bryce Galbraith: Thanks for hosting :)
[15:06] Bryce Galbraith: Bye all
[15:06] Eddi Haskell: bye!
[15:06] Jago Constantine: bye, bryce
[15:07] Eddi Haskell: see you next time groove!
[15:07] Jago Constantine: thanks for joining the group, groove :)
[15:07] Groove Dagger: see yous
[15:07] Groove Dagger: ㋡
[15:07] Eddi Haskell: jago im heading out now
[15:07] Jago Constantine: cya!

27 June 2009: Walpole

[13:51] Jago Constantine: hey, purple, welcome :)
[13:51] Purple Baum: hi
[13:51] Jago Constantine: this is our steampunk airship :P
[13:51] Purple Baum: `So let me change into something that matches the decor, brb
[13:52] Jago Constantine: heh ok / eddi put on your suit :P / the one from made men lol
[13:53] Eddi Haskell: oen second
[13:53] Jago Constantine: ok
[13:53] Eddi Haskell: its messed up now / ok
[13:53] Jago Constantine: we can always re-rez the airship / Welcome back :)
[13:53] Purple Baum: I'm back
[13:54] Jago Constantine: cool outfit
[13:54] Purple Baum: Here is my steampunk backpack, it's still a work in progress
[13:54] Jago Constantine: it's great!
[13:54] Jago Constantine: is it a jetpack or for breathing?
[13:54] Jago Constantine: or something else
[13:54] Purple Baum: I am also working on a gun. I just started building it today so it's very basic
[13:55] Purple Baum: It's the powerpack for the gun
[13:55] Jago Constantine: ah cool / it might be tricky connecting the two
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: im gonna log in again
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: im using snowglobe and it is very pretty
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: but
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: i cant figure things out
[13:55] Jago Constantine: Hey, Jack, welcome :)
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: snowglobe looks good / be right back
[13:56] Purple Baum: Yeah. I am pretty new to building so I am still looking for ideas (and tutorials) on how to connect them
[13:56] Jack Ozigard: hi all
[13:56] Jago Constantine: maybe something like lockmeister
[13:56] Jago Constantine: this is our steampunk airship, jack
[13:57] Jago Constantine: feel free to take a seat, both of you :)
[13:57] Purple Baum: ty / Here's the gun
[13:57] Jago Constantine: very nice
[13:58] Jack Ozigard: nice ship :)
[13:58] Jago Constantine: Yeah, it's amazing ... Eddi was given it for free I think
[13:58] Jago Constantine: he did some photography in the creator's vessels
[13:58] Eddi Haskell: back
[13:59] Jago Constantine: Welcome back, Eddi :)
[13:59] Eddi Haskell: snowglobe looks great but it is confusing
[13:59] Eddi Haskell: the new viewer
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: ive come out with two new videos in the past two days
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: one on caledon
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: the steampunk community
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: and one on steampunk airships
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: they are really just photo montages
[14:00] Jago Constantine: hey, melch :)
[14:00] Melch Savon: Hey Everybody!
[14:01] Jago Constantine: Ok, well we can start
[14:01] Jago Constantine: For new attendees - basically, we go 'round the circle and each talk about what we read last
[14:02] Jago Constantine: that's the basic framework but there's a lot of latitude in our conversation :)
[14:02] Melch Savon: We're 300 feet up -- don't you mean altitude?
[14:02] Jago Constantine: lol / I've been reading some of Kevin Anderson's novels
[14:03] Melch Savon: Which novels are those?
[14:03] Jago Constantine: his fat space opera - The Saga of Seven Suns
[14:03] Melch Savon: ah
[14:04] Jago Constantine: I admire the man for being able to write so much
[14:04] Jago Constantine: but he's very workmanlike, I don't think anyone would accuse him of being a poet
[14:05] Purple Baum: This is the same Kevin Aderson that was co-writing the new Dune noverl, right?
[14:05] Jago Constantine: yeah / I really can't forgive him and Brian Herbert for those
[14:06] Purple Baum: I agree
[14:06] Jago Constantine: I've said before in these meetings that Brian Herbert was developing his own, distinct whimsical style
[14:06] Jago Constantine: which I really enjoyed
[14:06] Purple Baum: I enjoyed the first on mostly because of the novelty but after that it was not good
[14:07] Jago Constantine: but obviously the $$$$ were too enticing
[14:07] Purple Baum: *one
[14:07] Purple Baum: I am reading Illium by Dan Simmons
[14:07] Jago Constantine: Great!
[14:07] Jago Constantine: I love it
[14:07] Jago Constantine: How are you finding it?
[14:08] Purple Baum: I'm about a 200 pages in. So far it's interesting
[14:08] Jago Constantine: It's one of my favourites - although I was disappointed by the sequel, Olympos
[14:09] Purple Baum: I enjoyed Hyperion / and most of it's 3 sequels
[14:09] Jago Constantine: for those of you who haven't read it, Ilium is set in the far future
[14:09] Jago Constantine: and somehow in ancient troy
[14:09] Jago Constantine: where the greek gods are real
[14:10] Jago Constantine: welcome, don :)
[14:10] DonJuan Writer: allo
[14:10] Purple Baum: Hello
[14:10] Jago Constantine: is that a new moustache?
[14:11] DonJuan Writer: it's a dali handmedown
[14:11] Jago Constantine: nice
[14:11] Jago Constantine: I liked the hyperion series too, Purple
[14:11] Jago Constantine: but some of Dan Simmons' works I can't get into
[14:12] Jago Constantine: there was one about a retired astronaut, I can't recall the name
[14:12] Jago Constantine: I loved The Terror
[14:12] Jago Constantine: about an expedition to find the northwest passage
[14:13] Jago Constantine: Ok, Eddi - have you read anything this week?
[14:13] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:13] Eddi Haskell: sorry
[14:13] Eddi Haskell: phone
[14:13] Eddi Haskell: ok
[14:13] Eddi Haskell: Professor Panini
by Matthew Grigg
[14:14] Eddi Haskell: isa s short story
[14:14] Eddi Haskell: its set in 2028
[14:14] Jago Constantine: cool
[14:14] Eddi Haskell: and some professor has made a machine
[14:14] Eddi Haskell: that allows you to exchange your thought , actually your brain
[14:14] Eddi Haskell: with someone else
[14:14] Eddi Haskell: so first he tries it on a duck and a dog
[14:14] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:14] Eddi Haskell: it works but / the dog goes crazy / cause hes a duck / and tries to fly / but ducks cant fly / so / he runs into the maching / machine / before the dog kills himself jumping off the balcony
[14:15] Jago Constantine: so he's chased by a vicious duck dog
[14:15] Eddi Haskell: the nachine / yes
[14:15] Jago Constantine: :)
[14:15] Eddi Haskell: well he has a special machine that makes toasted bagels
[14:15] Eddi Haskell: all he has to go is say
[14:16] Eddi Haskell: buttered sesame
[14:16] Eddi Haskell: and the machine gives you a buttered bagle
[14:16] Eddi Haskell: so
[14:16] Eddi Haskell: he accidentlaly changes minds
[14:16] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:16] Eddi Haskell: with the machine / and he dont know what to do / so / he gets the maching to call 911
[14:16] Jago Constantine: welcome back, jack
[14:16] Eddi Haskell: the emergency service
[14:16] Eddi Haskell: hi
[14:16] Eddi Haskell: by flinging bagles at the telephone
[14:16] Eddi Haskell: they police come
[14:17] Eddi Haskell: and he keeps on flinging bagels at the police
[14:17] Eddi Haskell: and they cant figutre it out
[14:17] Jack Ozigard: (the region was suddenly gone)
[14:17] Eddi Haskell: so / at the end of the story he accepts his fate / and spends the rest of his life as a butter toaster making bagles for some rich family
[14:17] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:17] Eddi Haskell: iom not making that up / deep hih
[14:18] Jack Ozigard: which book is that eddi?
[14:18] Jago Constantine: that's pretty weird lol
[14:18] Melch Savon: now that is a funny story
[14:18] Eddi Haskell: ill give you the rul
[14:18] Eddi Haskell: url
[14:18] Eddi Haskell: i liked it
[14:18] Eddi Haskell: http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/ProfPani724.shtml
[14:19] Eddi Haskell: jago if i had to pick a story to read would it be that one?
[14:19] Jago Constantine: for the group?
[14:19] Eddi Haskell: yes / i thinik it is very me
[14:19] Jago Constantine: it is :P
[14:20] DonJuan Writer: reminds me of red dwarf, there's a manically bored toaster in that
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: yeah / i thought it was an allegory
[14:20] Jago Constantine: yes lol / I like the toaster from red dwarf
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: its my birthday / lol
[14:20] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:20] Jago Constantine: happy birthday again, babe :)
[14:21] Purple Baum: Happy Birthday
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: thanks!
[14:21] Melch Savon: Happy Birthday Eddi -- doing something fun I hope!
[14:21] Jack Ozigard: happy birthday!
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: thanks people
[14:21] Jack Ozigard: I forgot to bring presents
[14:21] DonJuan Writer: I raise my glass to you
[14:22] Eddi Haskell: aww thanks
[14:22] DonJuan Writer: every seven seconds
[14:22] Jago Constantine: lol don
[14:22] Melch Savon: here it is -- bday cake all around
[14:22] Jago Constantine: So, Don - what did you read last?
[14:23] Melch Savon gave you Slice of Birthday Cake.
[14:23] Slice of Birthday Cake whispers: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, & Best Wishes
[14:23] Slice of Birthday Cake whispers: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, & Best Wishes
[14:23] Slice of Birthday Cake whispers: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, & Best Wishes
[14:23] Slice of Birthday Cake whispers: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, & Best Wishes
[14:23] Slice of Birthday Cake whispers: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, & Best Wishes
[14:23] DonJuan Writer: I'm writing at the moment, reading tends to remind me of things I haven't thought of and slow me down
[14:23] Jago Constantine: heh cool cake melch
[14:23] Slice of Birthday Cake whispers: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, & Best Wishes
[14:23] Melch Savon: Always be prepared with da props
[14:23] Eddi Haskell: yeah it is
[14:23] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:23] Melch Savon: What are you writing donjuan?
[14:24] DonJuan Writer: working on a sci-fi story about the deepest hole in the world
[14:24] Melch Savon: ... a tunnel to the other side?
[14:24] Jago Constantine: is this a bottomless pit?
[14:25] Melch Savon apologies -- he is doing matrix math at the moment, and his mind is all logical
[14:25] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:25] DonJuan Writer: well, was summising on this, what would happen if one jumped into a tunnel through the world, would you bounce in and out through the different polarity of gravity until you levitated in the middle?
[14:25] Jago Constantine: That's what I assume
[14:25] Melch Savon: Ignoring heat and pressure in the center of a huge gravity well
[14:25] Jago Constantine: Actually, wouldn't the deepest hole only go to the centre? If it went further it would be getting shallower again
[14:25] DonJuan Writer: so, there is a gravitational singularity going on there
[14:26] Melch Savon: There is a centerpoint where the forces balance out
[14:26] DonJuan Writer: where the force balnces out, luke?
[14:26] Jago Constantine: yeah, zero g in the centre
[14:26] Melch Savon: Right
[14:26] Purple Baum: Wouldn't you shoot out from the other side?
[14:27] Melch Savon: Purple, no, because once you go through the center the net pull is back to the center
[14:27] DonJuan Writer: oh, well, it's all an unfolding story, like the Kraken Wakes, about the build up to and the eventual digging
[14:27] Jago Constantine: In Iain Banks' non-culture novel The Algebraist, everyone in the universe uses warp from deep space except for one group who cleverly use it from the core of gas giants where they live
[14:27] Melch Savon: oh, I like that premise
[14:27] DonJuan Writer: cleverness in a darwinian sense there
[14:28] Jago Constantine: that's kind of a spoiler actually, but not too big / so this hole gets dug in your story? / that would be a monumental effort
[14:30] Jack Ozigard: it reminds me of the hollow earth theory though
[14:30] Jago Constantine: yes ... journey to the centre of the earth
[14:30] DonJuan Writer: yes, it's a desperate measure to solve a problem... don't ask me more 'cause it aint writted yet
[14:30] Jago Constantine: this is beyond the centre of the earth :P / Ok, Melch - your turn :)
[14:31] Melch Savon: This week I re-listened to the original Hitchiker Guide to the Galaxy radio broadcasts
[14:31] Jago Constantine: nice
[14:31] DonJuan Writer: oh, had those on lp as a kid
[14:31] Melch Savon: Everyone here is probably familiar with them, but I still think they are the best telling of the story
[14:31] Jago Constantine: I like the books best :P
[14:32] Jago Constantine: hehe
[14:32] Melch Savon: Arthur Dent remains beautifully clueless
[14:32] DonJuan Writer: if the radio series is the same as the lp's, I agree with you melch
[14:32] Melch Savon: Beyond that, I noted that the USA gave us Indiana Jones with a big whip; the Brits gave us Doctor Who with a big scarf (Tom Baker). I am wondering how to interpret that
[14:33] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:33] Jack Ozigard: lol
[14:33] Jago Constantine: Was the scarf ever used as a weapon?
[14:33] Jago Constantine: I mean more than for tripping or blinding people
[14:33] Melch Savon: no, but often as a tool
[14:33] Purple Baum: USA also gave yes Yogurt with a big schwartz
[14:33] Purple Baum: *us
[14:33] DonJuan Writer: as a segue, an american invited me (a brit) to his fourth of july picnic... my Russian friend said, "Was he too cheap to rent a clown?"
[14:34] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:34] Melch Savon: flip switches from a distance without exposing yourself to the laser ray, that sort of thing
[14:34] Jago Constantine: that's a good line I might use that
[14:34] Melch Savon: donjuan, we have presidents to play that role every day of the year
[14:34] Jago Constantine: I can totally see Tom Baker strangling someone with a scarg
[14:34] Jago Constantine: f
[14:34] Melch Savon: doctor who -- serial murderer
[14:34] DonJuan Writer: what? I thought there had been a change?!? ;)
[14:35] Jago Constantine: the perfect crime
[14:35] Jago Constantine: locked room mysteries are easy with a tardis
[14:35] Melch Savon: Same basic policies, same general disillusionment, some destruction of the dollar. No, not really much of a change.
[14:36] DonJuan Writer: There is a new president called Obama, who came claiming change to the drama, there's a stock-market crash, so he's printed some cash, now we're pinning our hopes on his karma
[14:36] DonJuan Writer: boom-boom
[14:36] Melch Savon thinks that might be an amusing bit of fan fiction -- Dr. Who, aka Jack the Ripper?
[14:36] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:37] Melch Savon: Pretty much. Started printing money Bush's last term, went into overdrive under Obama
[14:37] Melch Savon: anyways that was it for me this week
[14:37] Jago Constantine: The Doctor was seen at the garden party at the same time as the murders occurred ... so he has an alibi
[14:37] DonJuan Writer: but an enjoyable limmerick, noe-the-less?
[14:37] Melch Savon: *grin* Of course he does!
[14:37] Jack Ozigard: yes
[14:38] Jago Constantine: then explain the distinctive scarf-hairs on the victim's throat
[14:38] Melch Savon: Reasonable doubt. The Queen herself was visiting him in his cell at Torchwood
[14:38] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:39] Jago Constantine: then he regenerates and blends into the crowds like hannibal lecter
[14:39] Melch Savon: Now I think we confuse him with The Master
[14:39] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:39] Melch Savon: Who, ironically, is the true hero of our story
[14:39] Jago Constantine: ooh what a twist
[14:39] Jago Constantine: Anyway ... Jack - read any good books lately?
[14:39] Jack Ozigard: well, no
[14:39] Jack Ozigard: that is
[14:40] Jack Ozigard: I don't read a lot of books but rather short stories from amateur writers
[14:40] Jago Constantine: cool
[14:40] Jack Ozigard: and I was workling on my owen story which is incidentally a jack the ripper meets steampunk thing
[14:41] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:41] Jago Constantine: feel free to use our idea :P
[14:41] Melch Savon: I've infected the room with a meme!
[14:41] Jack Ozigard: it seems to be very difficult to do
[14:41] Jago Constantine: just make it HG Wells' time traveller
[14:41] Jago Constantine: and voila
[14:41] Melch Savon: Oh, Jago, how *original*
[14:41] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:41] Jack Ozigard: people keep telling "that is not how it was with jack the ripper"
[14:42] Jack Ozigard: readers know the facts
[14:42] Jago Constantine: yeah
[14:42] Melch Savon: fine, change the character to ... Mina Harker?
[14:42] Jack Ozigard: I do too, and avoidthed the name jack, set in in 1915 or thereabout
[14:43] Jack Ozigard: no, I introduced rabbi löw into the story :)
[14:43] Eddi Haskell: was he a haskellski?
[14:43] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:43] Jack Ozigard: he raised the golem
[14:44] Jago Constantine: cool
[14:44] Jack Ozigard: I will think about the Dr Who vs Jack the ripper thing
[14:45] Melch Savon: Hey story ideas are bountiful. good ideas less so, but still ...
[14:45] Melch Savon: /ao off
[14:46] Jago Constantine: Ok, Purple - what did you read this week?
[14:46] Purple Baum: Well, before Illium I was reading "Venus on a half shell"
[14:47] Purple Baum: It's by Kilgore Trout
[14:47] Jago Constantine: cool
[14:47] Purple Baum: But the real author is Philip Jose Farmer
[14:47] Jago Constantine: I never read that one
[14:47] Jago Constantine: but I've heard of it a lot
[14:48] Jago Constantine: what's it about?
[14:48] Purple Baum: He got permission from Kurt Vonnegut to use the Name Kilgore Trout as a psudoname
[14:49] Purple Baum: It's about the last human travelling through space with an owl a dog and a female robot trying to figure out the meaning of "everything"
[14:49] Jago Constantine: nice
[14:49] Jack Ozigard: a female robot?
[14:50] Purple Baum: He encounters weird civilizations and pokes fun at government, sex and other things
[14:50] Jack Ozigard: it sounds odd
[14:50] Purple Baum: It's pretty amusing and very sarcastic
[14:51] Jago Constantine: sounds like Farmer
[14:51] Purple Baum: And yes a female robot. Her story is another bit of sarcasm
[14:52] Purple Baum: The book has been out of print. I got a used copy off of amazon
[14:52] Jago Constantine: yeah that's why I never read it
[14:52] Jago Constantine: hard to find
[14:53] Purple Baum: I'm not sure what I'll read next, but I am interested in reading "Roadside Picnic"
[14:54] Purple Baum: It's the book that is the base for the story of the movie and videogame "STALKER"
[14:55] Jago Constantine: I love roadside picnic
[14:55] Jago Constantine: strugatsky brothers
[14:55] Jago Constantine: I think that's the name
[14:55] Purple Baum: So I'll probably get it but it's also out of print
[14:55] Jago Constantine: I think it's available again
[14:55] Jago Constantine: in one of those sci fi masterworks kind of editions
[14:55] Purple Baum: I'll check it out
[14:57] Jago Constantine: Ok, it's getting on to 3pm - time to wind up :)
[14:57] Eddi Haskell: before everyone goes would you like to see this picture i found?
[14:57] Jago Constantine: I have to go have some breakfast
[14:57] Jago Constantine: lol eddi
[14:57] Eddi Haskell: of my haskell family ancestors arriving on ellis island in 1914
[14:57] Melch Savon: DonJuan, Jack -- I am curious, do you two use writing software?
[14:57] Eddi Haskell: from Eastern Europe
[14:57] Melch Savon: Eddi - sure!
[14:58] Eddi Haskell: thats my great grandmother
[14:58] Jack Ozigard: picture - yes please
[14:58] Eddi Haskell: ida haskellski
[14:58] Eddi Haskell: they say we look alike
[14:58] Jack Ozigard: software? no. I can do a bit of programming though
[14:58] Jago Constantine: A friend of mine writes using this
[14:58] Jago Constantine: http://www.spacejock.com/yWriter5.html
[14:58] Jago Constantine: It's a free program
[14:58] Jago Constantine: lol eddi
[14:59] Jack Ozigard: a in that sense.
[14:59] Eddi Haskell: and that is great uncle yankel haskellski. They cold only afford a girls outfit
[14:59] Eddi Haskell: he went on to invent the junk bond
[14:59] Melch Savon: Thanks Jago. I've seen it, but find my spreadsheet is better. I have been thinking about buying a Mac program, like StoryMill
[14:59] Jack Ozigard: I was used to use a typewriter. that did not have any software
[14:59] Melch Savon: Eddi - are you kidding?
[14:59] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:59] Eddi Haskell: well
[14:59] Jago Constantine: yes he is
[14:59] Eddi Haskell: people say i look like them
[14:59] Eddi Haskell: lol
[15:00] Eddi Haskell: isnt that photo priceless?
[15:00] Melch Savon: It is pretty cool
[15:00] Jago Constantine: hehehe
[15:00] Jago Constantine: Anyway, I'm not sure where next week's meeting will be ...
[15:00] Purple Baum: I can see the resemblance
[15:00] Eddi Haskell: yes
[15:00] Eddi Haskell: welljago isnt it july 4?
[15:01] Jago Constantine: we are planning to move our land to the new adult continent
[15:01] Eddi Haskell: we have to have firworks
[15:01] Jago Constantine: is it? what is the significance of that date>
[15:01] Melch Savon: Identical faces -- you photoshopped them in?
[15:01] Eddi Haskell: there is a program photofunia that is an effect they have
[15:01] Eddi Haskell: online editing
[15:01] Melch Savon: ah
[15:01] Eddi Haskell: i have to admit its funny
[15:02] Eddi Haskell: this is one of my photos
[15:03] Eddi Haskell: we can meet in caledon sky steampunk city
[15:03] Eddi Haskell: thats cool
[15:03] Eddi Haskell: that is it
[15:03] Jago Constantine: I'll think about it ... maybe in caledon, or maybe insilico again
[15:03] Melch Savon: Insilico is a truly amazing place
[15:03] Jack Ozigard: the picture reminds me of early online porn: waiting ages untill you get to see something
[15:03] Melch Savon: But it's less blocky
[15:03] Melch Savon: Not even ASCII art
[15:04] Jack Ozigard: indeed melch
[15:04] Jago Constantine: the picture is changing too fast to see lol
[15:04] Jack Ozigard: it is a grey screen most of the time
[15:04] Purple Baum: I recognize that NCI place
[15:05] Jack Ozigard: from caledon yes
[15:05] Eddi Haskell: i interviewed the guvnah and the vicereigne this week for vr style
[15:05] Jago Constantine: Ok, I'm going to log and have breakfast
[15:05] Eddi Haskell: jago dont go yet
[15:05] Jago Constantine: ok
[15:05] Eddi Haskell: need to ask you
[15:05] Melch Savon: Ciao all -- it's been fun as always
[15:05] Jago Constantine: See you next week!
[15:05] Purple Baum: OK, cya everybody
[15:06] Eddi Haskell: hey guys
[15:06] Eddi Haskell: before you go
[15:06] Jago Constantine: thanks for joining the group, Purple
[15:06] Eddi Haskell: we have a cool museum here
[15:06] Purple Baum: ty
[15:06] Eddi Haskell: jago dont talk it up
[15:06] DonJuan Writer: cheers. got called away. see y'all
[15:06] Eddi Haskell: if yo uwant to see it
[15:06] Purple Baum: I'll check it out