21 March 2009: Channel Island Asylum

[13:57] Jago Constantine: Hey Fourside :)
[13:57] Fourside Janus: Hi!
[13:57] Eddi Haskell: hai
[13:57] Jago Constantine: The meeting will be at the far end of the building behind me
[13:57] Eddi Haskell: im wearing a haradous duty uniforum / hazardous
[13:57] Lewis Luminos: hi guys :)
[13:57] Jago Constantine: Sorry about the bad landing point
[13:57] Fourside Janus: k... still rezzing, can't see much.
[13:57] Eddi Haskell: hi
[13:57] Jago Constantine: Hi, Lewis / The meeting is in the end of the building ... sorry we had to arrive a ways from it
[13:58] Eddi Haskell: i just suprised jago with a new appearance. Hes trying to digest it
[13:58] Jago Constantine: heh
[13:59] Fourside Janus: Wait... are you saying we're going thru an asylum to reach the meeting?
[13:59] Jago Constantine: you look pretty similar eddi :P
[13:59] Eddi Haskell: ah
[13:59] Jago Constantine: lol
[13:59] Lewis Luminos: that sounds like a polite way of saying he doesnt like it
[13:59] Jago Constantine: it is in the asylum :)
[13:59] Eddi Haskell: of course he dont like it lol / i changed back
[14:00] Jago Constantine: I will cam out here from the room and keep an eye out for people
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: you should never suprise your partner with a new look
[14:00] Jago Constantine: let's go in
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: reminds me of where I grew up in brooklny / i dont have lag / just a bit
[14:01] Fourside Janus: Any chance you have the LM?
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: lol / this place is so creepy / i like it / hi lewis
[14:02] Fourside Janus: I'm just glad it's not "The Cradle".
[14:02] Eddi Haskell: hiya fourside
[14:02] Fourside Janus: Ji.
[14:02] Eddi Haskell: i have a photo of insilico in the paper metaverse manager
[14:02] Jago Constantine: we can't take LMs in here
[14:02] Eddi Haskell: on page 8 / if you want to check it out / you can take a slurl / i also have a feature coming up in sl vibe on insilico
[14:03] Fourside Janus: Oh, right SLURL...
[14:03] Lewis Luminos: lol "The A to Z of Electrotherapy", one of the books on the floor here
[14:03] Eddi Haskell: how about
[14:03] Lewis Luminos: by Doctor Linden :-D
[14:03] Eddi Haskell: thorazine for you and me
[14:03] Jago Constantine: lol yes
[14:04] Eddi Haskell: they give you that sometimes for hiccups
[14:05] Jago Constantine: Hi, Ilsa, welcome :)
[14:05] Eddi Haskell: hi lisa / ilsa sprecht deutsche? / bitte sehes? / bitte sehen?> / seine namen ist deutsche / oh good i dont have to translate LOL
[14:06] Jago Constantine: I am lagging today so please bear with me everyone / Anyway, this isn't really a sci fi location, but it is haunted :P
[14:06] Eddi Haskell: jago let me check the sim to see if it is laggy
[14:06] Lewis Luminos: you're grey Jago / at least to me
[14:07] Jago Constantine: I think it is me
[14:07] Eddi Haskell: no lag
[14:07] Jago Constantine: I was very slow logging in and lagged out tping a few times
[14:07] Fourside Janus: How's it haunted?
[14:07] Eddi Haskell: the fps is 34 / the 45 / so
[14:08] Fourside Janus: ?
[14:08] Eddi Haskell: jago is lagging today so
[14:08] Jago Constantine: I have bad chat lag this morning sorry
[14:08] Eddi Haskell: he might have a delay
[14:09] Lewis Luminos: i haven't seen a ghost yet Fourside
[14:09] Eddi Haskell: hes in australia and the server serving that could be overwhlemed
[14:09] Jago Constantine: You can hear them in some places if you have sound on
[14:09] Fourside Janus: Hm.
[14:09] Eddi Haskell: i can tell if there are ghosts i have been tested by professional ghosthunters im serious
[14:10] Eddi Haskell: i was on the Queen Mary and there are no ghosts there
[14:10] Jago Constantine: heh I am sceptical of that eddi :P / the sound of crazy laughing, or childlike giggling
[14:10] Fourside Janus: I should probably turn down my techno mix...
[14:10] Eddi Haskell: it cant be proven / so you should be / i started reading snowcrash
[14:11] Jago Constantine: Cool
[14:12] Eddi Haskell: im really not a sci fi reader but i read all the time so its good
[14:12] Lewis Luminos: how are you going with it?
[14:12] Eddi Haskell: my mom is a heavy sci fi reader / she wanted to watch the meeting but shes at a seminoar now / ok / hwo am i going with it / why is it so dark? / in general
[14:12] Lewis Luminos: hehe I think its meant to be
[14:13] Eddi Haskell: is the vast majority of thesci fi genre dark
[14:13] Jago Constantine: I liked the darkness of it :)
[14:13] Eddi Haskell: i can too / ok
[14:13] Lewis Luminos: the majority of the cyberpunk genre is
[14:13] Eddi Haskell: ok tto fill you in on me when Im not doing photography / and writing articles / i read history and bios / so this is a good change for me
[14:14] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:14] Lewis Luminos: I really liked Snow Crash
[14:14] Eddi Haskell: so the thing amazing about it / is how much ternminology he has thought of
[14:14] Jago Constantine: Yes, Neal Stephenson is good for that ... / LOL I read Anathem earlier in the year, his newest book, it is full of invented terms
[14:15] Eddi Haskell: i will read that next / what came to mind for me oddly / in 1993 / called VRML / the first virtual reality language / computer language was written
[14:15] Jago Constantine: I think you would be better to read The Diamond Age next, it is sort of a continuance of Snow Crash in some ways
[14:15] Eddi Haskell: ok / ill get throught that one first
[14:15] Lewis Luminos makes a note
[14:15] Jago Constantine: I liked it better too :)
[14:16] Fourside Janus: ditto.
[14:16] Eddi Haskell: VRML predicated things that we take for granted for example embedding hyperlinks within this environment / the era was the same / that oddly enough was in my mind when I started reading
[14:16] Lewis Luminos: thats interesting
[14:16] Jago Constantine: cool
[14:17] Eddi Haskell: yeah back in 1993 the entire idea of a consumer web was out there as Second Life is to 99% of the world today
[14:17] Jago Constantine: I like the idea of the burbclaves
[14:17] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:17] Jago Constantine: each of these different communities
[14:17] Lewis Luminos: yes those are great
[14:17] Eddi Haskell: that is exaclty what happened here
[14:17] Lewis Luminos: commercially-owned neighbouthoods
[14:17] Jago Constantine: there's a book that is similar in a lot of ways, Only Forward, by Michael Marshall Smith / different suburbs with different cultures / I really enjoyed that too ... a lot of fun
[14:19] Eddi Haskell: thing is
[14:19] Jago Constantine: Yes, SL has turned into burbclaves lol
[14:19] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:19] Fourside Janus: O.o
[14:19] Lewis Luminos: haha yes
[14:19] Eddi Haskell: with these vr novels / i imagine there are many of then out there / they are all written as if we are applying first world or real world
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: concepts
[14:20] Lewis Luminos: I'd love to find more
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: snwo crash is / you are looking from here in / has any been writtien / the other way around?
[14:20] Lewis Luminos: there was an element of VR in "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep"
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: sometimes / ues / FUNNY
[14:20] Lewis Luminos: totally missed out the movie, unless you count the unicorn thing
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: electric sheep iinvented windlight / the company / that iw where they got the name i guess
[14:21] Lewis Luminos: I guess so :)
[14:21] Eddi Haskell: what is everyone else reading
[14:22] Lewis Luminos: well I finished the Scar on Thursday
[14:22] Eddi Haskell: what is that about
[14:22] Jago Constantine: How did you like it?
[14:22] Lewis Luminos: Its the sequel to Perdido Street Station / Very interesting setting, a city at sea, made up of many boats lashed together
[14:23] Jago Constantine: Remember the last meeting was set there babe?
[14:23] Lewis Luminos: but... I dunno. I actually didnt like it as much as Perdido
[14:23] Fourside Janus: Sounds familiar... :D
[14:24] Jago Constantine: I liked it more
[14:24] Lewis Luminos: I was going through the whole thing waiting for this great exciting climax when they reached the Scar, and it didnt happen
[14:24] Eddi Haskell: we are kinda far from each other
[14:24] Jago Constantine: It was more fun I thought / We can still hear each other :P
[14:24] Eddi Haskell: oh / ok
[14:25] Lewis Luminos: I think it didn't help that I didn;t particularly like the main character / not as much as I liked Isaac and Lin
[14:25] Jago Constantine: Bellis was it?
[14:25] Lewis Luminos: yeah / stick up goth chick :P / *stuck-up
[14:25] Jago Constantine: I wanted more about the spy :P / she was a bit of a cold fish
[14:26] Lewis Luminos: I wanted more about The Lovers, and Uther
[14:26] Jago Constantine: yes they were cool / some really interesting backstories too
[14:26] Lewis Luminos: but on the whole I liked the story from Perdido better than this one
[14:26] Jago Constantine: ok / Oh eddi another excellent VR story is Permutation City by Greg Egan
[14:27] Eddi Haskell: cool / i have to write that down
[14:27] Fourside Janus: Well, I know I'm not going to be short on readng material for a bit...
[14:27] Jago Constantine: heh :) / What are you reading now, Fourside?
[14:28] Fourside Janus: I just discovered "Buck Godot - Zapgun for hire" http://www.airshipentertainment.com/buckcomic.php Last thing I read was http://www.setileague.org/articles/meat.htm
[14:28] Jago Constantine: Heh I like that story
[14:28] Fourside Janus: Both of them are somewhat silly...
[14:28] Jago Constantine: they're made of meat, it's a classic :)
[14:29] Jago Constantine: "They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."
[14:29] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:29] Lewis Luminos: o.O / lol
[14:29] Eddi Haskell: it sounds like the club jago and I were at yesterday
[14:29] Jago Constantine: it is about alien perceptions of us fleshy earthlings :P
[14:30] Fourside Janus: Which club?
[14:30] Eddi Haskell: warehouse / i need to behave myself at these meetings
[14:30] Jago Constantine: The Wharf you mean :P
[14:30] Eddi Haskell: yeah
[14:30] Jago Constantine: It's a gay club / pretty fun
[14:31] Eddi Haskell: its gay but not that gay, anyone can come / btw before i forget jago is in this huge blog
[14:31] Jago Constantine: Anyway I read The Collapsium by Wil McCarthy this week
[14:31] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:32] Eddi Haskell: http://www.eddihaskell.com/ / no / i will give you the url
[14:32] Jago Constantine: I am quoted in New World Notes :P / About the Adult Continent thing
[14:32] Lewis Luminos: cool
[14:33] Eddi Haskell: http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2009/03/adult-praise.html
[14:33] Jago Constantine: Anyway The Collapsium is an interesting vision of the future
[14:33] Eddi Haskell: that is another book or short story jago? / who is the author
[14:33] Jago Constantine: a novel / Wil McCarthy / One funny part is that the human race has become united in a monarchy / The monarchy of tonga, which was the only surviving monarchy when they decided that was the system they wanted
[14:34] Lewis Luminos: lol
[14:35] Fourside Janus: So it was the Tongans all along! Ah, I mean. Haha, intersting.
[14:35] Lewis Luminos: what happened to the monarchy of Britain? Oh, I guess it all collapses when Carlie takes te trone
[14:35] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:35] Lewis Luminos: *Charlie
[14:35] Jago Constantine: it doesn't really say I think ... :P
[14:35] Eddi Haskell: charlie means idiot in england
[14:36] Lewis Luminos: well I was referring to Prince Charles, but yeah, same ting
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:36] Jago Constantine: But anyway, a very positive look at the future, humans are doing some cool things
[14:36] Lewis Luminos: sounds cool
[14:36] Eddi Haskell: i know
[14:36] Jago Constantine: the author is a physicist so his speculations are really interesting / even a kind of teleportation / It is the first in a series so I might check them out / so that will be what I'm reading next ... how about you, Lewis?
[14:38] Lewis Luminos: I dont have anything lined up yet. Trip to the library on Monday, see wat I can find / I should make a habit of picking the next book BEFORE I finish the last one
[14:39] Jago Constantine: heh / I usually get two at once from the library
[14:39] Fourside Janus: Heh, that's why I like anthologies.
[14:39] Eddi Haskell: i need to stop buying them and taking them out LOL
[14:39] Lewis Luminos: well I bought The Scar / library didn't have it
[14:40] Jago Constantine: I like book exchanges too
[14:40] Lewis Luminos: I trawl te second hand shops a lot
[14:40] Jago Constantine: I have one near me where I can usually swap books for good rates
[14:41] Lewis Luminos: I will probably swap The Scar away
[14:41] Fourside Janus: I find it interesting that there are still places unconnected to the internet for selling, simply because it's too complex...
[14:42] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:42] Lewis Luminos: internet use is still pretty much a minority, at least in the UK
[14:42] Jago Constantine: a lot of them are online in some way I find
[14:42] Jago Constantine: but you're right
[14:42] Lewis Luminos: I think its about 12% of the population, someting like that
[14:43] Lewis Luminos: or 12% of households
[14:43] Jago Constantine: wow that seems low
[14:43] Fourside Janus: Hmm... I wonder if a person could make a living just driving around buying & reselling online.
[14:43] Lewis Luminos: well dont forget 50% of te population in the UK is over 50
[14:43] Eddi Haskell: no cant be
[14:43] Eddi Haskell: is it? over 50? wow
[14:43] Jago Constantine: If you knew what you were looking for you could
[14:44] Lewis Luminos: its very close, according to statistics I read recently
[14:44] Lewis Luminos: I used to make a profit, buying up things like comics, science fiction toys and stuff, in Manchester
[14:44] Lewis Luminos: then going do conventions in London and selling the stuff
[14:45] Lewis Luminos: usually made enough profit to cover my ticket
[14:45] Jago Constantine: http://www.internetworldstats.com/top20.htm
[14:45] Jago Constantine: this site says almost 70% of the uk are internet users
[14:45] Eddi Haskell: that is correct
[14:45] Lewis Luminos: wow
[14:45] Eddi Haskell: it is higher then the united states
[14:45] Lewis Luminos: thats gone up fast then
[14:45] Eddi Haskell: but
[14:46] Eddi Haskell: teletext is estblished there
[14:46] Fourside Janus: Canada has the higest %?
[14:46] Jago Constantine: maybe you hears 17 when they said 70 :P
[14:46] Lewis Luminos: maybe its a different thing, does this one count people who have internet access at school or work, but not at home?
[14:46] Lewis Luminos: I think the % I read was home use
[14:46] Jago Constantine: Not sure
[14:46] Jago Constantine: Australia is about 80% ... we are fast with technology uptake
[14:46] Lewis Luminos: but admittedly it was a couple of years ago
[14:47] Jago Constantine: Do you have any reading plans, Fourside?
[14:48] Fourside Janus: I was thinking either "The Best of Robert Silverberg" or...
[14:49] Fourside Janus: Gnoph http://www.drunkduck.com/Gnoph/index.php?p=527206 which has something to do with internal parasites. Might check out the titles mentioned here if I burn through 'em.
[14:49] Jago Constantine: hmm haven't heard of that one
[14:49] Jago Constantine: He is good, a real master
[14:49] Jago Constantine: silverberg
[14:50] Fourside Janus: I don't think I've read any of his works, would you reccomend anything else by him? Or everything?
[14:51] Jago Constantine: I liked his majipoor books when I read them
[14:51] Jago Constantine: particularly the first one I guess
[14:51] Jago Constantine: they are kind of fantasy
[14:52] Fourside Janus: Heh http://www.majipoor.com "the official site of Robert Silverberg".
[14:52] Fourside Janus: Quasi-*
[14:52] Eddi Haskell: hi antwan
[14:52] Jago Constantine: Hi, Antwan
[14:52] Jago Constantine: yeah
[14:52] Fourside Janus: Hi! And maybe!
[14:53] Fourside Janus: Am I the only one with voice?
[14:53] Jago Constantine: Downward to Earth is a good Silverberg novel
[14:53] Lewis Luminos: I dont have voice
[14:53] Jago Constantine: I don't either :P
[14:54] Fourside Janus: Ah.
[14:54] Eddi Haskell: you have been blogged take a look before you go http://eddihaskell.blogspot.com/
[14:54] Lewis Luminos: lol Eddi!
[14:54] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:54] Fourside Janus: ...
[14:55] Eddi Haskell: your in there too fourside
[14:55] Jago Constantine: Also The Man in the Maze, which is kind of a rip off of Algis Budrys' Rogue Moon
[14:55] Jago Constantine: Cool Eddi :)
[14:55] Eddi Haskell: :)
[14:56] Jago Constantine: Ok, the next meeting will be at the Museum of Robots :)
[14:56] Lewis Luminos: cool :)
[14:56] Fourside Janus: Hmm... I have to see that.
[14:56] Jago Constantine: I'll send out a notice to the group soon
[14:56] Jago Constantine: the landing point will be a little way from the meeting area again sorry
[14:56] Fourside Janus: Have you held a metting at the dinosaur park yet?
[14:57] Jago Constantine: not yet
[14:57] Jago Constantine: sounds interesting ... do you have an LM?
[14:57] Jago Constantine: Thanks, I'll check it out!
[14:57] Lewis Luminos: thanks :)
[14:57] Eddi Haskell: oh cool fourside maybe i will write aobut it in vibe
[14:57] Fourside Janus: )
[14:57] Lewis Luminos: guess we'll need safari gear
[14:57] Jago Constantine: heh that would be fun :)
[14:58] Eddi Haskell: i work for two publications, metaeverse messenger and sl vibe
[14:58] Fourside Janus: Gotta check those out now... argh... too many windows...
[14:58] Eddi Haskell: so i like cool places to photo
[14:58] Jago Constantine: Ok, thanks for coming again!
[14:58] Lewis Luminos: Eddi do you have a Flickr page?
[14:59] Jago Constantine: Have a wander around the asylum, it's pretty cute for a linden build

14 March 2009: Armada

[13:56] Jago Constantine: Hi, Bryce, welcome :)
[13:56] Bryce Galbraith: Hi Jago
[13:56] Jago Constantine: You're the first to arrive :)
[13:56] Bryce Galbraith: :)
[13:57] Jago Constantine: That means you get to find a seat with the best pose lol
[13:57] Bryce Galbraith: maybe I'll wait for the room to finish rezzing before trying to move around... / :)
[13:57] Jago Constantine: lol yes
[13:58] Bryce Galbraith: I like the cat there...
[13:58] Jago Constantine: Yes it's cute / I think its from damiani / Damani, yes
[13:59] Bryce Galbraith: brb....
[13:59] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:00] Eddi Haskell: hello
[14:00] Jago Constantine: Hey, Eddi :) / heh nice pose
[14:01] Bryce Galbraith: Hi Eddi
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: hi / my computer is messed up / and i dont know what to do LOL
[14:01] Bryce Galbraith: Well, you can always re-install the OS .:)
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: that wont help
[14:01] Bryce Galbraith: That might be a bit extreme....but effective! / Hi Lewis
[14:01] Jago Constantine: Hey, Lewis :)
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: if you look at the picture i gave you
[14:02] Lewis Luminos: hi everyone
[14:02] Eddi Haskell: you can see triangles / that is what is wrong / hi lewid / l;ewis
[14:02] Lewis Luminos: waiting for things to rez
[14:02] Jago Constantine: Sure :)
[14:02] Bryce Galbraith: Ah.... this is just in SL....not the rest of your computer then, right Eddi?
[14:03] Jago Constantine: Oh nice costume Lewis :)
[14:03] Lewis Luminos: heh its the same coat I wore last week
[14:03] Jago Constantine: I am kind of appropriate, my clothes could be anywhen from edwardian onwards
[14:03] Lewis Luminos: with cap and pipe instead of punk hair and cyber gear
[14:04] Bryce Galbraith: Hi Redgrrl
[14:04] Jago Constantine: Gentlemen, this is Redgrrl, the owner here :)
[14:04] Redgrrl Llewellyn: Welcome to my Club and Reading Room!
[14:04] Lewis Luminos: hi redgrrl
[14:04] Redgrrl Llewellyn: i'm so glad you could visit us! .....and happy to have you here! / i'm also a librarian RL so i couldn't resist to listen in
[14:05] Jago Constantine: There is a tip jar on the bar which I encourage you to use :)
[14:05] Redgrrl Llewellyn: thank you Mr. Constantine too kind / and please everyone drink up!
[14:05] Jago Constantine: Thankyou for letting us meet here :)
[14:06] Jago Constantine: Ok, for Bryce and Redgrrl, the meeting usually works like this
[14:06] Jago Constantine: we go round the group and discuss the last book we read
[14:06] Jago Constantine: after that, we talk about what we plan to read next
[14:07] Jago Constantine: but there's plenty of latitude for meandering conversation :)
[14:07] Lewis Luminos: we do tend to meander quite a bit *g*
[14:07] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:07] Bryce Galbraith: :) / sounds good....
[14:07] Jago Constantine: Anyway last week I read this novel by Brian Herbert, Sidney's Comet
[14:08] Jago Constantine: This week I read the sequel, The Garbage Chronicles
[14:08] Jago Constantine: They're satirical sci fi about consumerism
[14:09] Jago Constantine: and I really liked them, as I said last week, I wish Brian had kept writing that instead of going on to write Dune sequels
[14:10] Jago Constantine: The Garbage Chronicles is much better than his first book, he really improved quickly from his debut
[14:10] Bryce Galbraith: Interesting...I wasn't familiar with either of those. I guess the 'Dune' franchise has a higher profile...
[14:11] Jago Constantine: Yes, I suppose you can't blame him. His early books were whimsical and funny, but he was no Douglas Adams or Terry Pratchett
[14:12] Bryce Galbraith: I noticed on Amazon.com that there is a (relatively) new release of Sidney's Comet (Jan. 2008)..
[14:12] Jago Constantine: must be due to the popularity of the new dune books
[14:13] Bryce Galbraith: I haven't read anything by Brian Herbert actually. Both of these books were written earlier in his career though it looks like -- mid 80's....
[14:13] Jago Constantine: Yes, and you can tell they're from the 80s
[14:13] Lewis Luminos: really? that long ago?
[14:13] Jago Constantine: yes / Actually, Sidney's Comet reminded me of the movie Wall-E
[14:14] Bryce Galbraith: The synopsis reminded me of an episode of Futurama :)
[14:14] Jago Constantine: That too :)
[14:14] Redgrrl Llewellyn: my favourite book is Time and Again by Jack Finney...time travel illustrated and Victtorian
[14:14] Jago Constantine: I haven't read it / What is it about?
[14:14] Eddi Haskell: is there a bart simpson character in futurama? that is what i feel like at these discussions
[14:14] Redgrrl Llewellyn: its' a great Sci Fi
[14:14] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:15] Jago Constantine: lol eddi / you should read more sci fi
[14:15] Redgrrl Llewellyn: a modern guy is recruited to travel back in time to solve a mystery
[14:15] Eddi Haskell: i got snow crash / im startng
[14:15] Jago Constantine: oh sounds interesting, redgrrl
[14:15] Lewis Luminos: sounds like just my sort of thing redgrrl
[14:15] Redgrrl Llewellyn: the last book i read was Fingersmith by Sarah Walters..."novel is awash with all manner of gloomy Dickensian leitmotifs: pickpockets, orphans, grim prisons, lunatic asylums, "laughing villains," and, of course, "stolen fortunes and girls made out to be mad."
[14:16] Jago Constantine: Yes I thought of making up a bingo card of victorian cliche
[14:16] Redgrrl Llewellyn: and that's's all i'm going to add gents! enjoy your meeting!
[14:16] Jago Constantine: absinthe, pickpockets, etc
[14:16] Redgrrl Llewellyn: omg that would be brilliant! / twirling mustaches
[14:16] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:16] Jago Constantine: thanks for coming, redgrrl!
[14:17] Redgrrl Llewellyn: cheers dears and the secret opium den upstairs is open to you , too!
[14:17] Bryce Galbraith: Bye Redgrrl!
[14:17] Bryce Galbraith: :)
[14:17] Jago Constantine: Ok, Lewis, how did you go this week? / sci fi wise
[14:18] Lewis Luminos: nothing at all until Thursday, then guess what I bought? *grins*
[14:18] Jago Constantine: lol The Scar?
[14:18] Lewis Luminos: Yep :-D
[14:18] Jago Constantine: awesome :)
[14:18] Lewis Luminos: not very far into it let but loving it
[14:18] Lewis Luminos: *yet
[14:19] Jago Constantine: Have a look around here later, the whole region is built on boats
[14:19] Lewis Luminos: yeah I did have a zoom out with the camera and a bit opf a look round that way
[14:19] Bryce Galbraith: This is by China Mieville, right?
[14:19] Lewis Luminos: yes
[14:19] Jago Constantine: Yes
[14:20] Lewis Luminos: I read Perdido Street about 3 weeks ago
[14:20] Jago Constantine: This sim is based on the book
[14:20] Bryce Galbraith: Ah, okay :)
[14:20] Jago Constantine: It's set on a floating city called Armada / I liked The Scar more than Perdido Street Station
[14:21] Lewis Luminos: I'm not sure yet. I really liked Perdido so its a hard act to follow
[14:21] Jago Constantine: I suppose if you haven't read much you might not be on the floating city yet, Lewis, so I won't say anything :P
[14:21] Lewis Luminos: and I'm only about 5-6 chapters into the Scar so far / oh yeah we got to the floating city
[14:22] Jago Constantine: It's a really unique concept I think / offhand I can't recall anything else like it
[14:22] Lewis Luminos: made me think of the Raft in snow crash
[14:22] Jago Constantine: other than waterworld
[14:23] Lewis Luminos: only I guess Armada is a lot bigger than the Raft
[14:23] Jago Constantine: true ... and the raft wasn't the setting for a whole book / so not as detailed
[14:24] Lewis Luminos: it wasnt as complex anyway. The Raft had only been going a short while. The Armada... didnt it say some of the ships in it had been there hundreds of years?
[14:24] Jago Constantine: I think so yes
[14:24] Lewis Luminos: great concept though
[14:25] Jago Constantine: some with big trees growing on them
[14:25] Bryce Galbraith: Yeah, it's been a while since I read Snow Crash but the Raft was just one of the locations and it felt like a transitive point in the novel. A cool idea that Stephenson came up with but didn't feel the need to explore in more depth :)
[14:25] Lewis Luminos: I wondered whether they grew plant food in Armada / or just steal it
[14:25] Jago Constantine: Well, he has so many cool ideas I guess he has to skip over them
[14:26] Jago Constantine: So what have you read lately, Bryce?
[14:26] Bryce Galbraith: Last week I finished 'Death: A Life' by George Pendle. Not exactly science fiction, but definitely a good, fun read :)
[14:26] Jago Constantine: What's it about?
[14:27] Bryce Galbraith: It's basically the autobiography of Death and along the way a funny re-tell of the Creation up to modern times.
[14:27] Bryce Galbraith: Very irreverent too...
[14:27] Bryce Galbraith: :)
[14:27] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:27] Jago Constantine: I have seen biographies of God and the Devil before
[14:27] Bryce Galbraith: Before that I read Charles Stross' 'Saturn's Children'
[14:27] Lewis Luminos likes irreverent
[14:27] Jago Constantine: I loved Saturn's Children / the concept was great
[14:28] Bryce Galbraith: Yeah, I loved that book too! Lots of real interesting ideas, but also the way the story unfolded was really interesting too.
[14:28] Bryce Galbraith: I like the take on robots and the Three Laws...
[14:28] Jago Constantine: Basically Lewis, robots in the future are programmed to obey humans / Humans died out tho
[14:29] Bryce Galbraith: And then humans go extinct without giving any final instructions or, more specifically, giving robots freedom.
[14:29] Jago Constantine: so robots manage their own affairs, but a plot arises to resurrect a human from dna
[14:30] Jago Constantine: and raise it under the control of some group
[14:30] Jago Constantine: that will have control of all robots by proxy
[14:30] Jago Constantine: it's a lot more clever than it sounds from my description :P
[14:31] Bryce Galbraith: I think what makes the book work is that Stross also explores what this robot civilization is like along the way.
[14:31] Bryce Galbraith: The robots are basically very flawed too -- just like their human creators.
[14:31] Jago Constantine: yes, it's rather ruthless
[14:32] Bryce Galbraith: They can be cruel and ruthless, but also have emotions too.
[14:32] Jago Constantine: they buy and sell each other
[14:32] Jago Constantine: the protagonist is a sex robot whose ultimate erotic object is a human male ... but they are extinct
[14:32] Bryce Galbraith: At best they are able to own themselves because they create these shell corporations that they control which in turn owns them.
[14:33] Bryce Galbraith: An interesting departure from Asimov's robots is that most of the robots are not human-shaped, in the era the book takes place in.
[14:33] Bryce Galbraith: The robots are more compact and some have very functional shapes.
[14:34] Jago Constantine: Yes, I think androids are a really limited design
[14:35] Bryce Galbraith: Just like in the new Battlestar Galactica, where the cylon raiders _are_ the robots, in Saturn's Children the spaceships and buildings in cities even are basically robots.
[14:36] Jago Constantine: So at the moment, I'm reading a cheap thriller, I should finish it in a few days ... not sure what sci fi I will read next
[14:36] Jago Constantine: I guess Lewis will be reading The Scar :)
[14:36] Lewis Luminos: yeah I think that will keep me going the rest of this week
[14:36] Bryce Galbraith: I just started 'Evolution' by Stephen Baxter...just got started though the other night so I'm only a couple chapters in.
[14:37] Jago Constantine: it's nice and thick, good value for money lol / Oh cool, I've been reading some Stephen Baxter / I think I read Evolution a while back / what is the plot again?
[14:38] Bryce Galbraith: Well, I just started so I can't say much :) But it looks to be basically a novel of the evolution of life on earth...
[14:38] Jago Constantine: Hi, Fourside, thanks for coming :)
[14:39] Eddi Haskell: back
[14:39] Bryce Galbraith: starting in the Cretaceous...then going back a bit actually to the Jurassic.
[14:39] Jago Constantine: Baxter writes a lot of evolutionary sci fi
[14:39] Fourside Janus: Hi, still rezzing.
[14:39] Bryce Galbraith: I'm interested to see what he does with it. :)
[14:39] Bryce Galbraith: I really loved Baxter's sequence to The Time Machine ... The Time Ships.
[14:39] Jago Constantine: A lot of his books and stories involve human evolutionary twists
[14:39] Jago Constantine: I didn't read that, I should :)
[14:40] Bryce Galbraith: Yeah, seems like he likes to write in long long time frames -- millions of years!
[14:40] Jago Constantine: yes lol
[14:40] Bryce Galbraith: Yeah, I highly recommend Time Ships...
[14:40] Jago Constantine: the last book of his I read took just 10000 years :P
[14:40] Bryce Galbraith: Oh, short then ;)
[14:40] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:40] Lewis Luminos: lol is that all?
[14:40] Bryce Galbraith: Hi Fourside...
[14:41] Jago Constantine: Hi, fourside, have you read any good sci fi lately?
[14:42] Fourside Janus: Ah, finnally rezzed!
[14:42] Jago Constantine: By the way, Bryce and Fourside, would you like an invite to the group?
[14:42] Bryce Galbraith: Yes, please
[14:43] Fourside Janus: Sure.
[14:43] Jago Constantine: Great :)
[14:43] Jago Constantine: I send out notices of where the next meeting will be
[14:43] Jago Constantine: and if you like, you can always talk about sci fi during the week :)
[14:44] Fourside Janus: Sounds interesting.
[14:44] Jago Constantine: The next meeting will either be at the Museum of Robots, or at the Channel Island Asylum :)
[14:45] Bryce Galbraith: ok...
[14:45] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:45] Fourside Janus: O.o
[14:45] Jago Constantine: The asylum is a nice linden-build
[14:45] Jago Constantine: Creepy
[14:46] Jago Constantine: it's haunted
[14:46] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:46] Bryce Galbraith: It's running on a server... of course it's haunted! :) / Ghosts in the machine...
[14:46] Jago Constantine: lol / So Fourside, have you read any good sci fi, or do you plan to?
[14:48] Fourside Janus: Funny, i could remember them all before you asked... >_>
[14:48] Bryce Galbraith: :)
[14:49] Jago Constantine: heh yes I just went blank before about the title of the last Stephen Baxter I read / lol
[14:49] Bryce Galbraith: Another book I read a couple months ago that I thought was real interesting was a book called 'Inverted World' by Christopher Priest. / The book was written in the 1970s sometime actually..
[14:50] Jago Constantine: hmm it is set in a world where space is distorted, right?
[14:50] Bryce Galbraith: Yep...exactly.
[14:51] Fourside Janus: How so?
[14:51] Bryce Galbraith: The inhabitants of the city are always trying to move the city forward on rails.
[14:51] Bryce Galbraith: So it is sort of like a train car where people are laying track in front of it and removing it from behind.
[14:51] Jago Constantine: I like the concept of a moving city :)
[14:52] Bryce Galbraith: All in an effort to reach the 'optimum' , which is sort of a zone of normality... but it's always moving.
[14:52] Bryce Galbraith: SO the city has to keep moving.
[14:52] Jago Constantine: There's a nice book, Calenture, by Storm Constantine, set in a world of moving cities
[14:53] Lewis Luminos: I've read some of hers but not that one
[14:53] Jago Constantine: it's good, kind of surreal / a little steampunk
[14:54] Lewis Luminos has met Storm in RL :-D
[14:54] Jago Constantine: wow cool!
[14:54] Eddi Haskell: guys i have to run
[14:54] Jago Constantine: Ok babe
[14:54] Eddi Haskell: make a quick appearance at an opening / i will be on later / take care gusy thanks
[14:54] Bryce Galbraith: Looks interesting... Calenture. I'll have to check that out.
[14:54] Lewis Luminos: bye Eddi
[14:55] Bryce Galbraith: Bye Eddi
[14:55] Eddi Haskell: bye all!
[14:55] Bryce Galbraith: Actually I should be heading out as well.
[14:55] Fourside Janus: bye
[14:55] Jago Constantine: Well, it's almost the hour :)
[14:55] Bryce Galbraith: Nice talking with you all :)
[14:55] Jago Constantine: And we've gone through everyone
[14:55] Lewis Luminos: always a pleasure
[14:55] Jago Constantine: Hope to see you next week!
[14:55] Bryce Galbraith: Yep! Nice meeting you all.
[14:55] Fourside Janus: Glad I could catch the end. Bye!
[14:55] Jago Constantine: I will send out a landmark to the group / otherwise search for science fiction in events / we're the only one lol
[14:56] Lewis Luminos: well I think I'm going to explore the sim :)
[14:57] Jago Constantine: oh here is something for you
[14:57] Fourside Janus: I'm checiking out a newly opened Edo Period sim next...
[14:57] Jago Constantine: Redgrrl gave it to me / There are some nice japanese sims around / Ok, bye Lewis, Fourside!
[14:58] Lewis Luminos: thanks Jago
[14:58] Fourside Janus: Take care! ^_^
[14:58] Jago Constantine: If you like the sim, tip the jar here :)

7 March 2009: Insilico (Blue Ant Bar)

[14:03] Jago Constantine: What was the last science fiction book you read, Eddi :)
[14:03] Eddi Haskell: i hve to think / not for a while / you should recommend some / probalby something by thomas pynchon / is there a sci fi group? / you should put me in ti
[14:04] Lewis Luminos accepted your inventory offer.
[14:04] Eddi Haskell: i want to read snow whatever
[14:04] Eddi Haskell: the vrr book
[14:05] Eddi Haskell: nope
[14:05] Eddi Haskell: i know which books i read
[14:05] Eddi Haskell: a big series
[14:05] Lewis Luminos: lm works :)
[14:05] Jago Constantine: Hi, Lewis :)
[14:05] Eddi Haskell: its about lizards
[14:05] Eddi Haskell: hi lewis
[14:05] Lewis Luminos: hi Eddi, Jago
[14:05] Jago Constantine: Lizards?
[14:05] Eddi Haskell: who change the outcome of world war 2 / hi lewis
[14:06] Jago Constantine: Oh by Harry Turtledove
[14:06] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:06] Jago Constantine: Did you like the series?
[14:06] Eddi Haskell: world war
[14:06] Eddi Haskell: in up to volume 2.5
[14:06] Eddi Haskell: i need torfinish it
[14:06] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:06] Eddi Haskell: i have all of them
[14:06] Jago Constantine: heh I didn't :P
[14:06] Eddi Haskell: yeah it is hard to read 2000 pages of one author
[14:07] Jago Constantine: lol yes / I don't like his books generally
[14:07] Lewis Luminos: (still can't see anyone yet)
[14:07] Eddi Haskell: it is very slow to rez
[14:07] Jago Constantine: Yeah but it's worth the wait lol
[14:07] Eddi Haskell: and slow to teleport here i crashed
[14:07] Jago Constantine: did you set your graphics low?
[14:07] Eddi Haskell: hi lewis
[14:07] Eddi Haskell: no
[14:07] Lewis Luminos: now I see you :)
[14:07] Eddi Haskell: they were on ultra
[14:07] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:08] Jago Constantine: lol eddi / no wonder / Lewis this is my partner, Eddi / Eddi, Lewis is a regular for the group :)
[14:08] Eddi Haskell: hi lewis
[14:08] Lewis Luminos: hi Eddi.
[14:08] Eddi Haskell: nice to meet you
[14:08] Lewis Luminos doesnt usually dress like this
[14:08] Jago Constantine: How was your philosophy discussion group?
[14:08] Eddi Haskell: how do you usually dress
[14:09] Lewis Luminos: not too shabby. Actually had people turn up which surprised me
[14:09] Jago Constantine: Hi, Arch
[14:09] Jago Constantine: We're using the Blue Ant for a science fiction discussion, if you want to join us
[14:09] Lewis Luminos: usually just flanell and jeans :-D
[14:09] Eddi Haskell: yeah like me / hi arch
[14:09] Lewis Luminos: <= grungy old hippie

[14:10] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:10] Jago Constantine: Well you look pretty cyberpunk today
[14:10] Jago Constantine: Heh
[14:10] Eddi Haskell: = space cadet
[14:10] Lewis Luminos: heh
[14:11] Jago Constantine: Anyway Eddi so you like Harry Turtledove and I don't :P
[14:11] Eddi Haskell: well its ok
[14:11] Eddi Haskell: i liked the scene where the lizards became sushi
[14:11] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:11] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:11] Jago Constantine: Well I was going to read an anthology of short stories
[14:12] Eddi Haskell: which one
[14:12] Jago Constantine: but ended up reading Sidney's Comet by Brian Herbert / It was Galactic Dreamers, secondhand one I found
[14:12] Eddi Haskell: iven been reading alot of alterntative history but that it not necessarily science fiction
[14:13] Jago Constantine: I say it is :)
[14:13] Lewis Luminos: it can be
[14:13] Jago Constantine: What have you read?
[14:13] Jago Constantine: lately
[14:13] Eddi Haskell: a series of short essarys on alternative history but it is in the past
[14:13] Eddi Haskell: i dont know the author i read it last night
[14:14] Jago Constantine: Essays so not stories?
[14:14] Eddi Haskell: i want to read virtual reality alternative fiction / yes / science fiction / i should wirte a novel about my experiences here no one would beleive it
[14:14] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:14] Lewis Luminos: if I wrote about my experiences in SL no-one would want to read it
[14:14] Lewis Luminos: no-one wants to be that bored
[14:14] Jago Constantine: ha
[14:15] Jago Constantine: Are you having trouble sitting, lewis?
[14:15] Lewis Luminos: no but the seat made me sit with my back to you and it felt wrong
[14:15] Jago Constantine: there's a seat behind eddi that might suit / cool
[14:15] Lewis Luminos: ah thats better
[14:16] Jago Constantine: Anyway this book Sidney's Comet
[14:16] Eddi Haskell: the experiences that ibm has had here in sl would make for an interesting novel
[14:16] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:16] Jago Constantine: it's by Brian Herbert, who is Frank Herbert's son
[14:16] Jago Constantine: who wrote Dune
[14:16] Lewis Luminos: does he show any influence?
[14:17] Jago Constantine: It's nothing like Dune, it's a satire
[14:17] Jago Constantine: or a parody
[14:17] Lewis Luminos: cool
[14:17] Jago Constantine: or silly / kind of funny / I'm enjoying it, basically in the future, the human race sends garbage into space
[14:18] Eddi Haskell: why is it funny
[14:18] Jago Constantine: then aliens send it all back at once in a huge asteroid, so we have to try and deflect it
[14:18] Jago Constantine: it's written humorously
[14:18] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:18] Lewis Luminos: haha
[14:18] Eddi Haskell: i dont think people in new jersey wuold like it
[14:18] Eddi Haskell: cause they get all new yorks garbage
[14:18] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:18] Jago Constantine: lol / In this future, everyone shares jobs / so a typing pool in an office have like a 50th of a job each and type different keys
[14:19] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:20] Jago Constantine: it's pretty silly
[14:20] Jago Constantine: It was Brian Herbert's first book ... recently he's been writing new books in the Dune series
[14:20] Lewis Luminos: sounds like fun.
[14:20] Jago Constantine: they suck :P
[14:20] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:20] Lewis Luminos: hmm someone else writing Dune stuff sounds less fun
[14:20] Jago Constantine: lol / yeah, he's basically capitalising on his father's work for cash / he co-writes with kevin anderson / their books are nowhere near as deep or detailed as the originals
[14:22] Lewis Luminos: theyre a hard act to follow
[14:22] Jago Constantine: yeah
[14:22] Lewis Luminos: phenomenal world-building there
[14:22] Eddi Haskell: most sequels are
[14:22] Jago Constantine: it's a shame because Brian Herbert clearly has a unique voice as an author, distinct from his father's
[14:22] Jago Constantine: as shown in this book and his other non-dune ones
[14:22] Lewis Luminos: maybe he should have stuck to writing comerdy
[14:23] Jago Constantine: yes he should have ... but they wouldn't sell as well / lol
[14:23] Eddi Haskell: there is nothing wrong with being an A plus writer of B material
[14:23] Lewis Luminos: Terry Pratchett did fine...
[14:23] Jago Constantine: I suspect that Kevin Anderson writes the new dune books and Brian Herbert puts the name herbert on the cover
[14:24] Jago Constantine: I loved terry pratchett for about the first dozen books
[14:24] Lewis Luminos: I actually never could get into them at all
[14:24] Jago Constantine: but he went downhill for a patch
[14:25] Eddi Haskell: can you guys give me someting to read
[14:25] Eddi Haskell: im serious
[14:25] Jago Constantine: when the books started being 'this one parodies opera', this one parodies rock, this one parodies australia
[14:25] Jago Constantine: a suggestion?
[14:25] Eddi Haskell: lol / yes
[14:25] Jago Constantine: Why not read Snow Crash you keep saying you want to
[14:25] Lewis Luminos: hmm, the last book I read that I really enjoyed was Perdido Street Station
[14:25] Lewis Luminos: oh yeah thats very good too
[14:26] Eddi Haskell: what is perfido about
[14:26] Lewis Luminos: a must-read if you want to read on Virtual Worlds
[14:26] Jago Constantine: Oh Lewis, next time we have a group excursion, there's a China Mieville-based sim we can visit
[14:26] Lewis Luminos: perdido, is a sort of steampunk city bug-hunt
[14:26] Lewis Luminos: ooh
[14:26] Lewis Luminos: :)
[14:26] Jago Constantine: It's based on The Scar actually lol / so you need to read that :P
[14:26] Lewis Luminos: I need to get a copy of that
[14:26] Lewis Luminos: yeah definitely
[14:27] Lewis Luminos: one to buy
[14:27] Arch Optera watches the humans chat as she idly lies there.
[14:27] Jago Constantine: the sim is a bunch of boats joined together
[14:27] Jago Constantine: Hi, Miroirs, thanks for coming :)
[14:27] Miroirs Hax: hello
[14:27] Jago Constantine: Slow rezzing here, set your graphics low for a bit
[14:27] Eddi Haskell: hi miroirs
[14:27] Lewis Luminos: hi Miroirs / so my latest book wasn't as good
[14:28] Jago Constantine: ok what was it again?
[14:28] Lewis Luminos: Speed of Dark by Elizabeth Moon
[14:28] Jago Constantine: oh thats right
[14:29] Lewis Luminos: supposedly a thriller but it wasnt very thrilling
[14:29] Jago Constantine: would you recommend her works?
[14:29] Lewis Luminos: I wouldnt reccomend this one unles you've got a particular interest in the topic
[14:29] Lewis Luminos: which in this case is autism and medical ethics
[14:29] Lewis Luminos: set in the near future
[14:29] Jago Constantine: hmm not really
[14:29] Eddi Haskell: i just read it
[14:29] Lewis Luminos: where they've inventd a cure for autism
[14:29] Eddi Haskell: the synposis
[14:29] Jago Constantine: though I liked The Curious Case of the Dog in the Night Time / Hey Miroirs, have you read any good books lately?
[14:30] Lewis Luminos: and its an exploration of whether it's right to make people have the treatment against their will
[14:30] Miroirs Hax: think i'm almost rezzed, woa, nice location!
[14:30] Jago Constantine: yes isn;t it cool :)
[14:31] Lewis Luminos: while at the same time convicted criminals get forced to have their brais altered, and it's practically the same thing
[14:31] Jago Constantine: This is our first meet where we visit a new location
[14:31] Lewis Luminos: *brains
[14:31] Arch Optera: Welcome to Insilico.
[14:32] Eddi Haskell: i like to photo here
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Basically Miroirs, we go through what we read last, then what we're going to read next at these meets :)
[14:32] Miroirs Hax: sounds nice, sorry for being late
[14:32] Lewis Luminos: I dont have anything else lined up yet, will have to see whats int he library on Monday
[14:33] Jago Constantine: no worries, Miroirs
[14:33] Lewis Luminos: unless I can buy a copy of Scar
[14:33] Jago Constantine: You could try it as an ebook / it might be online
[14:33] Lewis Luminos: trouble with that is I do all my reading while I'm commuting
[14:33] Jago Constantine: ah
[14:33] Lewis Luminos: and I dont have anything I can use to take an ebook with me
[14:33] Jago Constantine: I wish we had Kindles in australia / I use my pda sometimes
[14:34] Lewis Luminos: to be honest I prefer my books to be made of paper
[14:34] Jago Constantine: me too, but a lot of people say that then love kindles :P
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: xerox has has paper that can change text electronically for many years
[14:34] Eddi Haskell: it will come to the market soon
[14:35] Jago Constantine: cool / There is an ebook of The Scar available for the record :)
[14:35] Lewis Luminos: I'd like to have a pda that never runs out of battery, and is still easy to read when the sun;s shining on the screen
[14:35] Lewis Luminos: then I'll be happy :)
[14:35] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:36] Jago Constantine: Once I finish this Sidney's Comet book I will read the sequel The Garbage Chronicles :P
[14:36] Jago Constantine: I picked them both up at once
[14:37] Jago Constantine: Not sure what the sequel is about, apart from garbage again and the same characters
[14:38] Jago Constantine: Hey Miroirs, are you rezzed? Would you like to discuss a book or are you happy to listen :)
[14:39] Miroirs Hax: i've not been able to read any sci-fi lately, sadly, so i'll mostly listen if that's ok
[14:39] Jago Constantine: Sure
[14:39] Jago Constantine: Oh can I invite you to join our group?
[14:40] Eddi Haskell: invite me please
[14:40] Miroirs Hax: sure, thanks
[14:40] Jago Constantine: Great / I send out notices for our saturday meetings through it / also, if you want to discuss sci fi in chat, feel free to use group / So you all like the venue for this week's meeting?
[14:42] Lewis Luminos: it looks great
[14:42] Eddi Haskell: i do
[14:42] Jago Constantine: take some time to look around later it's worth it
[14:42] Miroirs Hax: yes, sure sets the mood, did you create this?
[14:42] Jago Constantine: oh no
[14:42] Jago Constantine: I just asked the creator if we could meet here
[14:42] Jago Constantine: it's a roleplay sim
[14:43] Jago Constantine: this bar is Out of Character
[14:43] Miroirs Hax: :)
[14:43] Jago Constantine: or its allowed here / This isn't book related, but I went to see The Watchmen yesterday :)
[14:44] Lewis Luminos: so did I :)
[14:44] Jago Constantine: I really liked it
[14:44] Eddi Haskell: is it good?
[14:44] Jago Constantine: It's kind of like Sin City
[14:44] Lewis Luminos: I... actually didn't, to be honest
[14:44] Jago Constantine: with superheroes
[14:44] Lewis Luminos: though I didnt like the book much either
[14:45] Jago Constantine: I never got a chance to read the comics
[14:45] Lewis Luminos: I'd hesitate to use the word "heroes" in there
[14:45] Jago Constantine: well yeah / the characters are all flawed
[14:45] Lewis Luminos: very much so
[14:45] Miroirs Hax: i've only just learned about the watchmen, i sure liked sin city though
[14:46] Lewis Luminos: If you like very, very dark, and very very gruesomely violent
[14:46] Jago Constantine: yes, this is just as stylised and violent
[14:46] Jago Constantine: its from the director of 300 I think
[14:46] Arch Optera: Frank Miller, yes.
[14:46] Lewis Luminos: then you'll like it
[14:46] Lewis Luminos: and you dont mind that the "heroes" are rapists and murderers
[14:47] Arch Optera: Don't mind me boys since we're ooc here I am just listening.
[14:47] Miroirs Hax: that's a lot of criticism in a recommendation Lewis :)
[14:47] Jago Constantine: I understand that it was kind of the point of the comic to try and depict the kind of people who might become masked vigilantes in RL
[14:47] Lewis Luminos: no I actually do think its a good film, just not my type of film
[14:47] Lewis Luminos: it was very true to the book, well-executed
[14:48] Jago Constantine: Feel free to comment, Arch :)
[14:48] Jago Constantine: Some criticism I heard was that it was too true to the books
[14:48] Lewis Luminos: could that even be a criticism?
[14:48] Lewis Luminos: heh
[14:49] Jago Constantine: well I read a quote once, a book is hundreds of pages
[14:49] Jago Constantine: a script is 40 pages
[14:49] Jago Constantine: you can't try to force everything in
[14:49] Arch Optera: I always like to see how they translate book to film, unfortunately sometimes they suck. But each director always has an interesting interperetation.
[14:49] Jago Constantine: Hi, Ji NI, thanks for coming
[14:49] Lewis Luminos: I'm not particularly squeamish but there were several scenes I just couldn't watch
[14:49] Ji Ni: hello :)
[14:50] Jago Constantine: there were times when I felt the movie was trying to fill in a lot of backstory
[14:50] Eddi Haskell: hi Ji Ni
[14:50] Miroirs Hax: hello
[14:50] Jago Constantine: I didn't mind that
[14:50] Lewis Luminos: the movie was easier to follow than the book
[14:50] Lewis Luminos: maybe it was dumbed down a bit
[14:50] Jago Constantine: We're talking about The Watchmen movie, Ji
[14:50] Jago Constantine: Definitely
[14:50] Lewis Luminos: or maybe I was too young when I read it
[14:51] Ji Ni: i havent seen it yet :(
[14:51] Jago Constantine: I think they wanted Terry Gilliam to film it at one stage, and he said it was unfilmable :P
[14:51] Lewis Luminos: probably was, then. Movie-making technology has come a long way since then
[14:52] Jago Constantine: no cgi :)
[14:52] Jago Constantine: yes, Terry Gilliam would have done it old school :)
[14:52] Eddi Haskell: with humour
[14:52] Jago Constantine: this had humour, as dark as Gilliams
[14:53] Jago Constantine: well darker maybe
[14:53] Jago Constantine: less absurd
[14:53] Jago Constantine: How are you going, Ji, rezzed?
[14:53] Lewis Luminos: I thought some of the humour in Watchmen was inappropriate
[14:54] Jago Constantine: Can you say without spoiling which bits?
[14:54] Jago Constantine: without spoilers
[14:54] Lewis Luminos: hmm... choice of certain bits of soundtrack
[14:54] Ji Ni: meh, holy rez mania
[14:54] Lewis Luminos: making reference to other pop-culture icons...
[14:55] Jago Constantine: Hmm I can't figure the parts you mean lol
[14:55] Jago Constantine: Did you set your graphics low Ji?
[14:55] Lewis Luminos: Apocalypse Now
[14:55] Jago Constantine: oh yeah
[14:55] Ji Ni: mine are low as they can go, shitty puter though
[14:55] Jago Constantine: I liked that bit
[14:56] Jago Constantine: I thought it was just how a superhero would be used in RL
[14:56] Lewis Luminos: yeah I agree
[14:56] Jago Constantine: but the music subverted it
[14:57] Lewis Luminos: but there I was laughing at the music and watching that, and suddenly thought "why the hell am I laughing at this?"
[14:57] Jago Constantine: yeah it was conflicting
[14:57] Lewis Luminos: it felt wrong
[14:57] Jago Constantine: one of the parts I felt worst seeing was the kennedy assassination
[14:57] Lewis Luminos: oh god yeah
[14:58] Lewis Luminos: worst bit for me was the prison scene
[14:58] Lewis Luminos: the bit with the saw
[14:58] Eddi Haskell: your making me want to see it
[14:58] Jago Constantine: lol eddi
[14:58] Miroirs Hax: heh, same here
[14:58] Jago Constantine: well that was so over the top
[14:58] Jago Constantine: you should go!
[14:59] Eddi Haskell: i will
[14:59] Jago Constantine: Ji, would you like an invite to our group?
[14:59] Lewis Luminos: yeah. I didnt actually like it but I still think it was a good film
[14:59] Ji Ni: sure :)
[15:00] Jago Constantine: We
[15:00] Jago Constantine: re winding up now, so this will help you know where the next meet is
[15:00] Ji Ni: Will you put it into the Search events listing?
[15:00] Jago Constantine: It could be back at my and Eddi's land, or it could be at a China Mieville theme sim
[15:00] Jago Constantine: yes, I will
[15:01] Jago Constantine: so it will be easy to find
[15:01] spyVspy Aeon: hi there
[15:01] Ji Ni: ok, that is best, i only have 25 group slots :(
[15:01] Miroirs Hax: hello
[15:01] Jago Constantine: sure
[15:01] Jago Constantine: it's the only science fiction event I know :P
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Hi, spy
[15:01] Lewis Luminos: I'm nearly out of group slots too
[15:01] Eddi Haskell: well
[15:01] Eddi Haskell: i am going to put more inisilico photos up at my gallery
[15:02] Eddi Haskell: so you can see my photos
[15:02] Eddi Haskell: there is an inisilico photo from me in metaverse
[15:02] Miroirs Hax: nice to meet you, thanks for the event
[15:02] Eddi Haskell: the sl newspaper
[15:02] Ji Ni: Its a great topic, I luvz the scifi
[15:02] Jago Constantine: me too ... I'm surprised there weren't sci fi discussion groups already
[15:02] Jago Constantine: I had to make one :)
[15:03] Lewis Luminos: I'm glad you did, its fun
[15:03] Lewis Luminos: its also got me reading more :-D
[15:03] Ji Ni: ive seen the odd sci fi book discussed in general fantasy groups but ya, its good to see specifically sci fi
[15:03] spyVspy Aeon: :) scifi lover too
[15:04] Jago Constantine: I think our next meeting will be at my land like last week, and we'll do the excursion after that
[15:04] Jago Constantine: would you like a group invite, spy?
[15:04] Jago Constantine: We have sci fi discussion saturdays at 2
[15:04] spyVspy Aeon: yay sounds really cool
[15:04] spyVspy Aeon: need to know if I have time lol too much things to do
[15:05] Jago Constantine: Sure
[15:05] spyVspy Aeon: thnks
[15:05] spyVspy Aeon: right now doing a machinima
[15:05] Jago Constantine: any time you want
[15:05] Jago Constantine: You can also discuss sci fi in group chat
[15:05] spyVspy Aeon: :) I will need for the storyboards
[15:05] Lewis Luminos: Jago I gotta say I love that Tony-Stark style heart thing you're wearing there :)
[15:06] Jago Constantine: heh thanks I bought it in the mall here
[15:06] Saskia Bowie: Hello everyone
[15:06] Jago Constantine: Hi, Saskia :)
[15:06] Lewis Luminos: hi Saskia
[15:06] Eddi Haskell: hi saskia
[15:07] Jago Constantine: Ok, I might log and have breakfast :)
[15:07] Saskia Bowie: hmm, no rp?
[15:07] Astolio Krell: hello
[15:07] Jago Constantine: thanks for coming I will send a group notice with the next location
[15:07] Jago Constantine: we just had a sci fi discussion event
[15:08] Lewis Luminos: I have to go too
[15:08] Lewis Luminos: nice meeting you Eddi

28 February 2009: Liberation Square

[14:03] Jago Constantine: So, have you read anything this week?
[14:03] Lewis Luminos: finished Perdido Street Station / omg what an ending / poor Lin / and poor Yag too :(
[14:04] Jago Constantine: Yeah ... / Harsh stuff
[14:04] Lewis Luminos: definitely not a happy ending
[14:04] Jago Constantine: He's not a happy ending kind of writer
[14:04] Lewis Luminos: and then I read something esle that wasn;t science fiction at all
[14:04] Lewis Luminos: lol
[14:04] Jago Constantine: GET OUT!
[14:04] Jago Constantine: just kidding
[14:04] Lewis Luminos: lol
[14:05] Jago Constantine: What was it?
[14:05] Lewis Luminos: The Piano
[14:05] Jago Constantine: Was there a movie of that?
[14:05] Lewis Luminos: yes but I've not seen it / I intend to now
[14:05] Jago Constantine: I think I've seen parts of it anyway
[14:05] Lewis Luminos: not my usual sort of book, but I enjoyed it
[14:05] Jago Constantine: or maybe that was a spoof / lol
[14:06] Lewis Luminos is not into chick-flick stuff normally
[14:06] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:06] Jago Constantine: Well, I read Stephen Baxter's 'Space'
[14:06] Lewis Luminos: was it good?
[14:06] Jago Constantine: It was great
[14:07] Jago Constantine: It's really mindblowing cosmological science fiction
[14:07] Jago Constantine: Begins maybe 20 years in the future and goes for 10,000 years lol
[14:07] Lewis Luminos: wow thats some saga
[14:08] Jago Constantine: Yeah... it's told as vignettes from different points in history / As characters travel through hyperspace (kind of) and skip through time in the outside universe / It's written from an interesting angle about the fermi paradox and why we haven't seen any aliens
[14:09] Lewis Luminos: sounds like an interesting approach / oh? what does it say about that?
[14:10] Jago Constantine: yeah it is, it's the second book in a trilogy but it stands alone / that's kind of a spoiler :P
[14:11] Lewis Luminos: I read a few books in the battletech/Mechwarrior universe, and there are no aliens there either
[14:11] Lewis Luminos: but it doesnt detract from it at all.
[14:12] Jago Constantine: This has aliens, and the question is why did they show up now
[14:12] Lewis Luminos: aah
[14:12] Jago Constantine: just when we emerge into a high tech civilisation / because there should have been some around long before us / Anyway, I'd previously read the third novel in the series, and was disappointed / So I'm glad I read them out of order / lol
[14:13] Lewis Luminos: was that because you read them out of order?
[14:14] Jago Constantine: No, I think I would have been disappointed anyway / The third book had some interesting ideas
[14:14] Lewis Luminos: I try to read them in sequence wherever possible
[14:14] Jago Constantine: me too
[14:14] Lewis Luminos: my library annoys me, sometimes they only have one book out of a trilogy
[14:14] Lewis Luminos: usually not the first
[14:15] Jago Constantine: lol I hate that / And noone will borrow that book unless they read the first / so it's pointless
[14:15] Lewis Luminos: *nods*
[14:15] Jago Constantine: I see the same thing in DVD stores / When I look for anime series
[14:15] Lewis Luminos: yeah
[14:15] Jago Constantine: they sold the first disc and have discs 2-12 on the shelf lo
[14:15] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:16] Lewis Luminos: my daughter collects anime so I'm familiar with that complaint
[14:16] Jago Constantine: Do I want to order it in? No! I want it now or I get something else :P
[14:16] Lewis Luminos: lol
[14:16] Jago Constantine: I just joined netflix or the australian version
[14:16] Lewis Luminos: I never really got into anime much at all
[14:16] Jago Constantine: that's fantastic, the best way to do it
[14:16] Lewis Luminos: I dont have the patience to watch them
[14:17] Jago Constantine: heh they can vary wildly in their quality
[14:17] MT Mimulus: Hi Jago
[14:17] Lewis Luminos: rather read the manga / hi MT
[14:17] Jago Constantine: Hi, rant, hi, MT
[14:17] MT Mimulus: Hello Lewis
[14:17] Lewis Luminos: hi Rant
[14:17] Jago Constantine: Try clicking on the innner edge
[14:17] rant Ugajin: hi
[14:18] Jago Constantine: We're just discussing what we read this week
[14:18] rant Ugajin: sorry to be late
[14:18] Jago Constantine: Lewis finished Perdido Street Station by China Mieville / I read Space by Stephen Baxter
[14:18] rant Ugajin: i came to listen
[14:19] Jago Constantine: That's cool :) / Did we lose MT?
[14:19] rant Ugajin: she went to eat / do you know Dan Simmons?
[14:19] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:19] Jago Constantine: Yes, the last book I read of his was The Terror
[14:19] Lewis Luminos doesn't
[14:19] Jago Constantine: I loved it
[14:19] rant Ugajin: what is his trilogy called? / based on greek myths
[14:20] Jago Constantine: Hmm not sure about a trilogy ... he wrote four books in the Hyperion Cantos
[14:20] rant Ugajin: those are them
[14:20] Jago Constantine: and I think it was two based on the greek myths
[14:20] Jago Constantine: Ilium and Olympos
[14:20] rant Ugajin: yes / must read them again
[14:20] Jago Constantine: I loved the first greek one, but the sequel a bit less
[14:20] Lewis Luminos: ohh. I say Olympos this week in the library
[14:20] rant Ugajin: what did you guys read last?
[14:21] Lewis Luminos: *saw
[14:21] rant Ugajin: is that in world?
[14:21] Lewis Luminos: I read Perdido Street Statiion
[14:21] rant Ugajin: have you talked about it Lewis?
[14:21] Jago Constantine: He can recap :)
[14:21] rant Ugajin: please
[14:22] Lewis Luminos: sure, well its a very gritty urban setting / fairly low-tech world, almost steam-punk-ish
[14:22] Jago Constantine: I would call it steampunk
[14:22] Lewis Luminos: with a classic science fiction theme - bug-hunting / in this case literally
[14:22] rant Ugajin: bug hunting?
[14:22] Jago Constantine: like in alien
[14:22] Lewis Luminos: the heroes are after some giant killer moths
[14:23] Jago Constantine: the plot revolves around hunting a monster / or The Thing
[14:23] Lewis Luminos: whilst dodging the militia and the local drug-gangs / *nods* same sort of theme as Alien, / xcept the setting is an urban city, not a spaceship
[14:23] rant Ugajin: i see
[14:24] Lewis Luminos: anyay. I really enjoyed it
[14:24] Jago Constantine: I recommend the sequel too, I liked it more - The Scar
[14:24] Lewis Luminos: yeah I will have to buy that one I think
[14:24] Lewis Luminos: definitely want to read more about the city
[14:24] Jago Constantine: It's set in a city too, but one made of thousands of ships lashed together
[14:25] Lewis Luminos: oh its not New Crozubon then?
[14:25] Jago Constantine: No, though it has characters from there
[14:25] Lewis Luminos: ooh. :)
[14:26] Jago Constantine: So I read Space by Stephen Baxter / it's a cosmological science fiction novel / looks at big questions about the universe
[14:27] rant Ugajin: wha are the big questions?
[14:27] Jago Constantine: the plot stretches over thousands of years as characters travel through hyperspace / The main one is the fermi paradox - where is everyone? / Why haven't we discovered any trace of aliens / They show up in the book, so the question becomes, why now? Why did they appear just when we did
[14:28] rant Ugajin: we are immortals?
[14:28] Jago Constantine: the characters?
[14:28] rant Ugajin: yes the charachters
[14:28] Jago Constantine: they live a long time because of the hyperspace ... they skip through normal time
[14:29] rant Ugajin: but they live and die
[14:29] Jago Constantine: basically they're being transmitted and reassembled at different places / yes
[14:29] Lewis Luminos: interesting philosophical questions there
[14:29] rant Ugajin: haha
[14:29] Lewis Luminos: about self identity
[14:29] rant Ugajin: ??
[14:30] Jago Constantine: Yeah ... there are lots of cool, big scale effects too / like terraforming the moon and so on / alien invasions / So next I'm going to read an old anthology I picked up ... Galactic Dreamers / edited by Robert Silverberg.
[14:32] rant Ugajin: what is that about Jago?
[14:32] Jago Constantine: Stories by Jack Vance, James Blish, Brian Aldiss, J G Ballard, Cordwainer Smith
[14:32] Jago Constantine: sounds good
[14:32] rant Ugajin: hi boris
[14:32] Jago Constantine: It says it's about / "Visionary" science fiction
[14:33] Lewis Luminos: isn't ALL science fiction "visionary"?
[14:33] rant Ugajin: what does visionary mean in this context?
[14:33] Jago Constantine: yeah, but some more than others
[14:33] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:33] Jago Constantine: wait I'll grab it and check the blurb
[14:33] rant Ugajin: lol
[14:34] rant Ugajin: where's betsy?
[14:34] Jago Constantine: 'for Silverberg ... the best science-fiction stories are visionary and mystical'
[14:34] rant Ugajin: k
[14:34] Lewis Luminos: I would agree with that
[14:34] Jago Constantine: 'offering that transcendental experience that only the best science fiction can provide / I think it's supposed to be mind-expanding :) / I'll let you know how it is next week at the meeting :) / What are you reading next, Lewis?
[14:36] Lewis Luminos: The Speed of Dark by Elizabeth Moon
[14:36] Lewis Luminos: set in the near future
[14:36] Jago Constantine: I've never read any of hers :P
[14:37] Lewis Luminos: about a guy who's a genius mathematician
[14:37] Lewis Luminos: well more than that
[14:37] Lewis Luminos: mind like a computer
[14:37] rant Ugajin: i sec brb
[14:37] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:38] Jago Constantine: heh and what does he do?
[14:38] Lewis Luminos: I'm not sure yet, not started reading it
[14:38] Jago Constantine: heh ok
[14:38] Lewis Luminos: seems to be somewhat cyberpunk-y, based on the blurb
[14:38] Jago Constantine: Ok
[14:39] Lewis Luminos: talks about a Corporation that he works for
[14:39] Jago Constantine: Anything with corporations sounds a little cyberpunk
[14:39] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:39] Lewis Luminos: *nods* part of the definition :-D
[14:40] Jago Constantine: Oh, if I made a group for Science Fiction Saturday, would you be interested?
[14:43] Jago Constantine: You there?
[14:43] Lewis Luminos: sorry yeah
[14:43] Lewis Luminos: and yes definitely
[14:44] Jago Constantine: Cool :)
[14:44] Lewis Luminos: thanks :)
[14:44] Jago Constantine: I was thinking maybe we could have meetings elsewhere sometimes
[14:44] Jago Constantine: Like at Insilico :)
[14:45] Jago Constantine: Of course, I like to get traffic up on my land lol
[14:45] Lewis Luminos: I have a meeting venue available too
[14:45] Jago Constantine: Oh how did your philosophy group go?
[14:45] Lewis Luminos: not started yet
[14:45] Lewis Luminos: First one next weekend
[14:45] Jago Constantine: ah ok
[14:46] Jago Constantine: What's your venue like?
[14:46] Lewis Luminos: its a garden, with seating,
[14:46] Lewis Luminos: dancefloor, in case anyone wants a party
[14:46] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:47] Jago Constantine: Well, I'm kind of talked out :P
[14:48] Jago Constantine: Less people this week lol
[14:48] Jago Constantine: Fewer
[14:48] Lewis Luminos: *nods*
[14:48] Jago Constantine: Got anything else sci fi you want to talk about?
[14:48] Lewis Luminos: these things take time to get into a pattern
[14:48] Jago Constantine: Yeag
[14:48] Jago Constantine: yeah
[14:48] Lewis Luminos: ah MT is back
[14:48] Jago Constantine: Oh I watched a sci fi anime called Gasaraki, which was pretty dull
[14:49] Lewis Luminos: maybe she has a book to talk about
[14:49] Jago Constantine: Hi, MT, are you a sci fi reader?
[14:49] Jago Constantine: rant is afk I think
[14:50] Jago Constantine: anyway I don't recommend Gasaraki unless you're into mecha
[14:50] MT Mimulus: Sorry I had to leave
[14:50] Jago Constantine: No worries :)
[14:50] Jago Constantine: Have you read any science fiction lately, MT?
[14:50] MT Mimulus: I'm reading The Algebraist right now
[14:51] Jago Constantine: Cool, Iain Banks
[14:51] Jago Constantine: I liked that one
[14:51] MT Mimulus: Yes. Its very good - funny
[14:51] Jago Constantine: The aliens are whimsical
[14:51] Jago Constantine: the main aliens
[14:51] Lewis Luminos: hehe
[14:51] Lewis Luminos: sounds fun
[14:52] MT Mimulus: It is. A good read
[14:52] Jago Constantine: they have an economy based on kudos
[14:52] MT Mimulus: Sounds familiar, doesn't it
[14:52] Lewis Luminos: yeah but I can't place where from
[14:52] Lewis Luminos: great idea though
[14:53] Jago Constantine: it's like Cory Doctorow's book
[14:53] Jago Constantine: the magic kingdom one
[14:53] Lewis Luminos: like trading favours
[14:53] Jago Constantine: yeah
[14:53] Jago Constantine: In that people have power based on their reputation
[14:53] Lewis Luminos: *nods*
[14:53] MT Mimulus: But lacking any logic to the system
[14:53] Jago Constantine: hehe
[14:53] Lewis Luminos: ohh I remember where I've come across that idea before
[14:54] MT Mimulus: Whre is that Lewis?
[14:54] Lewis Luminos: Vampire the masquerade. The RPG
[14:54] Jago Constantine: lol really?
[14:54] Lewis Luminos: it all revolves round political intrigue
[14:54] Jago Constantine: how did that work
[14:54] Lewis Luminos: social status
[14:54] Lewis Luminos: depends on who owes you favours
[14:54] Jago Constantine: oh cool
[14:55] Lewis Luminos: the more important the people that owe you, the more important you become
[14:55] Lewis Luminos: thus you rise up the social ladder
[14:55] Lewis Luminos: whilst trying to avoid being staked, of course
[14:56] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:56] MT Mimulus: How often do you hold these discussions, Jago?
[14:57] Jago Constantine: this is the second one
[14:57] Jago Constantine: once a week is the plan
[14:57] MT Mimulus: Is there usually a theme proposed?
[14:57] MT Mimulus: Or I should say, will there be?
[14:57] Jago Constantine: The theme is just sci fi :)
[14:58] Jago Constantine: What we've done is talk about what we each read last, and what we want to read next
[14:58] MT Mimulus: I see
[14:58] Jago Constantine: With some free discussion of course
[14:59] Jago Constantine: I just made a group if you're interested
[14:59] MT Mimulus: Yes
[14:59] Jago Constantine: Although the notices will be in events too
[14:59] MT Mimulus: If I have room
[14:59] Lewis Luminos: and on SL Universe forums :)
[14:59] Jago Constantine: yes, and on SLU
[15:00] Jago Constantine: Thanks for joining :)
[15:00] MT Mimulus: Thanks Jago
[15:00] Jago Constantine: We might have meetings at different locations sometimes
[15:00] Jago Constantine: I was thinking Insilico, the cyberpunk sim
[15:01] MT Mimulus: I haven't been there - should be interesting
[15:01] Jago Constantine: or the museum of robots
[15:01] Lewis Luminos: that would be cool :)
[15:01] MT Mimulus: Yes it would be
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Feel free to post to group chat
[15:01] Lewis Luminos: maybe we should dress the part too
[15:01] Jago Constantine: During the week if you like
[15:01] MT Mimulus: OK
[15:01] Lewis Luminos: ok
[15:02] Jago Constantine: It is a group for discussion after all ;)
[15:02] Jago Constantine: If we meet at an rp place like insilico it would be good to dress the part :)
[15:02] Lewis Luminos: yeah thats what I was thinking
[15:02] Jago Constantine: I will check with the Insilico owner and see if she'd let us meet there
[15:03] MT Mimulus: ok
[15:03] Jago Constantine: they have an out of character bar
[15:03] Jago Constantine: Is rant there, MT? Would he like to join the group?
[15:04] MT Mimulus: I don't think so
[15:04] MT Mimulus: He seems to be away
[15:04] Jago Constantine: Would he be interested in the group?
[15:05] MT Mimulus: I think he is interested in Sci Fi but I don't know about joining a group
[15:05] MT Mimulus: Hello Boris
[15:05] Lewis Luminos: even the dog is trying to wake him up
[15:05] Jago Constantine: heh
[15:05] MT Mimulus: haha
[15:05] Jago Constantine: I just set the group so any of you can invite members
[15:05] Jago Constantine: It's also open enrolment anyway :)
[15:05] MT Mimulus: OK Jago
[15:05] Lewis Luminos: cool, thanks

21 February 2009: Liberation Square

[13:58] Jago Constantine: Hi, Lewis
[13:58] Lewis Luminos: hi Jago
[13:58] Jago Constantine: Thanks for coming :)
[13:58] Lewis Luminos: youre welcome
[13:58] Jago Constantine: I thought we'd have it in the park in the rotunda / Hi, Xeno :)
[13:59] Xeno Octavia: hi this the sci fi-ers
[13:59] Jago Constantine: Yes it is :) / Over here :) / try clicking closer to the inner edge, Xeno
[14:01] Lewis Luminos: if you stand inside the ring facing the seat it should work
[14:01] Xeno Octavia: lol we meet out in the street!!ty
[14:01] Jago Constantine: It's a little laggy, I've been building
[14:01] Lewis Luminos: is this place all new?
[14:01] Jago Constantine: It was good to see some replies on the forum, I didn't know if anyone would come / Yes, well, built since february / Anyway, I've never even been in a book club before, so I'm just winging it here
[14:02] Lewis Luminos: me neither actually
[14:03] Jago Constantine: Maybe I'll start by saying what I'm reading / I've just finished a couple of Neal Asher novels / in his Polity series / He owes a lot to Iain Banks I think / Have either of you read him?
[14:03] Lewis Luminos: no
[14:04] Xeno Octavia: i havnt
[14:04] Lewis Luminos: keep meaning to
[14:04] Jago Constantine: Ok, well like Banks, they're in a human society run largely by AIs / Maybe a bit more actiony than banks
[14:04] Xeno Octavia: how are u on Mary Doria Russell
[14:05] Jago Constantine: I read The Sparrow and Children of God / Has she written any sci fi since?
[14:05] Xeno Octavia: kool i'm reading Dreamers of the Day
[14:05] Jago Constantine: Sci fi?
[14:05] Xeno Octavia: is it sci fi --maybe
[14:05] Jago Constantine: Heh what is it about so far?
[14:07] Xeno Octavia: ive read it --wont twell where may become sci fi --but is about pre WW1 america and the peace conf in mid east 1921 and then ---
[14:07] Lewis Luminos: ah I love books that cross genre boundaries
[14:08] Jago Constantine: Sounds interesting
[14:08] Xeno Octavia: actually a western divide of mid east conf
[14:08] Jago Constantine: So ... alternate history?
[14:08] Ingrid Northmead: oh wow / hey Lewis
[14:08] Jago Constantine: Hey Ingrid :)
[14:08] Lewis Luminos: hi Ingrid :)
[14:08] Jago Constantine: Thanks for coming
[14:08] Ingrid Northmead: fancy meeting you here
[14:08] Lewis Luminos: lol
[14:09] Xeno Octavia: no actual history but alternates after history and is about how our sucky worls came about
[14:09] Jago Constantine: ok
[14:09] Xeno Octavia: hi ingrid
[14:09] Ingrid Northmead: hey hey
[14:10] Xeno Octavia: am also reading James Hillman's A Terrible Love of War / which takes off where russell leAVES OFF
[14:10] Jago Constantine: Was it a deliberate choice to pick those two at once? / Or a coincidence? / Hey Toad :) / I should ask if this time and day is good for everyone?
[14:12] Xeno Octavia: YES HI TOAD
[14:12] Jago Constantine: lol Xeno
[14:13] Xeno Octavia: dont kno --i b erratic
[14:13] Lewis Luminos: its good for me / although once I start my own little group, I might be late sometimes
[14:14] Jago Constantine: Oh, your philosophy group?
[14:14] Lewis Luminos: *nod*
[14:14] Xeno Octavia: yes jago they go together they were possib choices for another book club --which chose dreamers
[14:14] Jago Constantine: Nice
[14:14] ToadOfToadHall Aquila: bye guys -- server slow.
[14:14] Jago Constantine: Ok Toad, sorry bout that / What are you reading atm, Lewis?
[14:15] Lewis Luminos: I'm about 4/5ths through Perdido Street Station
[14:15] Jago Constantine: Oh nice :)
[14:15] Lewis Luminos: by China Mieville / Really good book, classic sort of sci-fi plot, but fairly low tech / grungy setting
[14:15] Jago Constantine: I loved it / I liked The Scar better
[14:15] Lewis Luminos: Havent read any of his others yet / but I certainy will do after this
[14:16] Jago Constantine: It's good cos they're so thick, you get value for money lol
[14:16] Lewis Luminos: yeah :)
[14:16] Jago Constantine: Seriously, it's a great steampunk sort of setting
[14:16] Lewis Luminos: The characters are so well-thought-out too
[14:17] Jago Constantine: yes, they have depth
[14:17] Lewis Luminos: brb 2 min
[14:17] Jago Constantine: ok / Ingrid? Read any good books?
[14:18] Ingrid Northmead: Oh, actually I've been meaning to check out Michael Moorcock.. have heard very good things about him and read some of his essays but I'm a bit overwhelmed at where to start
[14:18] Jago Constantine: I love his Dancers at the End of Time series best / They're a lot of fun
[14:18] julo Dixon: hello everybody
[14:19] Jago Constantine: Welcome, Julo :)
[14:19] julo Dixon: ty jago
[14:19] Lewis Luminos: back
[14:19] Jago Constantine: We're going round the circle saying what we're reading / Is this how AA works? / lol
[14:19] Xeno Octavia: hi julo
[14:19] julo Dixon: hi xeno
[14:20] Ingrid Northmead: yes and after the meeting we all read trashy fantasy novels and then feel ashamed
[14:20] Xeno Octavia: no we skipping the porno
[14:20] Jago Constantine: lol / You can visit my sex furniture museum after if you want porno
[14:20] julo Dixon: lol
[14:20] Lewis Luminos: I never feel ashamed of trashy fantasy :)
[14:20] Jago Constantine: Heh, well China Mieville is arguably fantasy / not trashy tho
[14:21] Lewis Luminos: yeah but the storyline is pure sci-fi, / Alien-hunting
[14:21] Jago Constantine: the lines blur, and similar with Moorcock
[14:21] Lewis Luminos: *nods* / like I said, I enjoy books where the lines are blurred
[14:22] Jago Constantine: So Ingrid, I'd recomment Moorcock's Dancers series, or actually Gloriana / That's a stand alone novel set in an alternate history England
[14:22] Ingrid Northmead: well I'll check those out then... always sort of the matter of cracking open a certain universe, if that makes sense
[14:22] Jago Constantine: it doesn't quite :P / the matter?
[14:23] Ingrid Northmead: haha well never mind then :p
[14:24] Jago Constantine: So Julo ... what book is on your night stand at the moment?
[14:24] julo Dixon: oooo i m reading nothing
[14:24] Xeno Octavia: i remember that was quite good
[14:24] julo Dixon: just want to listen you
[14:24] Jago Constantine: aw shucks :)
[14:25] Xeno Octavia: dont remember who wrote it tho
[14:25] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:25] Lewis Luminos: it was that guy, Anon. / Very prolific writer
[14:25] Ingrid Northmead: He's so prolific.
[14:25] Jago Constantine: I should mention that Neal Asher needs a better editor
[14:25] Ingrid Northmead: oh jinx.
[14:25] Lewis Luminos: :)
[14:25] Jago Constantine: I've never read a major writer with such inelegant prose / and simple mistakes too, like new for knew
[14:26] Lewis Luminos: heh try Roger Zelazny
[14:26] Jago Constantine: really? I read a few of his / Lord of Light
[14:26] Lewis Luminos: Nine Princes is full of errors
[14:27] Jago Constantine: I couldn't get into the Amber series / at all
[14:27] Ingrid Northmead: worst I've ever read was Mary Gentle
[14:27] Lewis Luminos: I've been warned off hers.
[14:27] Jago Constantine: Really? I recently read Golden Witchbreed / It seemed ok
[14:27] Xeno Octavia: have u read Wilson's 'Spin' and/or 'Axis'
[14:27] Ingrid Northmead: oh I haven't read that one, but I didn't finish any of her books that I started, which is really unusual for me
[14:28] Jago Constantine: I LOVED her book Ash / Loved it / one of my favourites / I read Spin, it was ok
[14:28] Xeno Octavia: gess ok not very good
[14:28] Jago Constantine: heh
[14:29] Ingrid Northmead: Ooh, SL drama emergency is calling my name. Sorry guys, gotta run :)
[14:29] Jago Constantine: It won awards obviously, so some people like it
[14:29] Lewis Luminos: lol ok
[14:29] Ingrid Northmead: see ya~
[14:29] Jago Constantine: Cya later Ingrid, mayne next week
[14:29] Lewis Luminos: bye Ingrid / Out of curiosity, who here has read Snow Crash?
[14:29] Jago Constantine: Me :)
[14:29] Lewis Luminos: :)
[14:29] Jago Constantine: It's kind of de rigeur for SL isn't it :P
[14:30] Lewis Luminos: yeah thats why I asked / I read it a couple of months ago / thought it was pretty good
[14:30] Jago Constantine: It's another of my favourites / And Diamond Age
[14:30] Lewis Luminos: havent read any of his others
[14:31] Jago Constantine: The last one I read was Anathem, which was ... monumental :P
[14:32] Lewis Luminos: I dont think my local library has any of his. :(
[14:32] Jago Constantine: It wasn't his best, but the world building was great
[14:32] Lewis Luminos: I loved the Snow Crash world
[14:33] Jago Constantine: Yeah Snow Crash's burbclaves are a lot of fun
[14:33] Sharon Raynier: Hi
[14:33] Jago Constantine: Hi, Sharon, welcome :)
[14:33] Lewis Luminos: hi Sharon
[14:33] Sharon Raynier: I don't know too much about science fiction - I'm challenged enough dealing with reality lol
[14:33] Xeno Octavia: snow crASH WAS MUCHLY kooler than Neuromancer
[14:34] Jago Constantine: Yeah, I've never been into William Gibson that much / Especially his later things
[14:34] Lewis Luminos: I tried Neuromancer and gave it up / brb again
[14:34] Jago Constantine: What was the last science fiction you read, Sharon? / Sharon?
[14:36] Sharon Raynier: Sorry
[14:36] Jago Constantine: No worries :)
[14:36] Sharon Raynier: : - ) / Did you ask something?
[14:37] Jago Constantine: What was the last sci fi you read?
[14:37] Sharon Raynier: I am hear to listen more than contribute / The last sci fi....
[14:37] Jago Constantine: That's ok :)
[14:37] julo Dixon: lol like me
[14:37] Sharon Raynier: Well in all this talk about Abraham Lincoln these weeks / I am reminded of a Twilight Zone story I read years ago
[14:37] Lewis Luminos: back
[14:38] Jago Constantine: Oh?
[14:38] Sharon Raynier: especially a tragic one / What if someone were transported in time to right before a historic event occurred, / and the person had knowledge, what would / be the impact of the person being at that place and time
[14:38] julo Dixon: ok i m going bye
[14:39] Xeno Octavia: intressin meet but i must leave - TY jago
[14:39] Jago Constantine: Thanks for coming, Julo!
[14:39] Lewis Luminos: bye julo
[14:39] Jago Constantine: Maybe next week?
[14:39] Sharon Raynier: take care
[14:39] Lewis Luminos: Your story Sharon, reminds me of another I read / Changewar, by Fritz Leiber / all about timetravelling
[14:40] Sharon Raynier: What happened in that story?
[14:40] Lewis Luminos: and two rival factions at war with each other, keep going back and changing things
[14:40] Jago Constantine: Sounds familiar
[14:40] Lewis Luminos: and the other faction goes back further and changes their change...
[14:41] Sharon Raynier: Oh Australia, eh?
[14:41] Lewis Luminos: its fascinating
[14:41] Jago Constantine: Yes :) / I think there are a few series about time wars
[14:41] Sharon Raynier: I'm in Florida USA / There's a movie on HBO tonight about the Iraq War I think / about an officer who is escorting the body of a private, an ordinary soldier, home after being killed in action
[14:42] Jago Constantine: ok? / Is it science fiction?
[14:42] Sharon Raynier: I am really looking forward to seeing it but I imagine it will be sad / There's a lot of people who would like to be able to go back in time and change things about that war
[14:43] Jago Constantine: True / It would be interesting to see or read something like that about Iraq / If you went back in time and said there are no WMDs / would you be believed? / Oh, Lewis (and Sharon) / If you can't get books in your local library, you might try Bookmooch
[14:44] Sharon Raynier: Or that Saddam is not the threat that Bush is making him out to be
[14:44] Lewis Luminos: whats that?
[14:44] Jago Constantine: It's a book sharing website
[14:45] Sharon Raynier: Bookmooch - that's a funny name
[14:45] Jago Constantine: You offer to share books / and you get points for the ones you send out / and spend points to get books posted from other people
[14:45] Lewis Luminos: hmm does it depend pn having a reliable postal service? A lot of things go missing here, I dont trust 'em
[14:46] Jago Constantine: heh well, I just got a book from the UK, and sent one to singapore and they both arrived / it depends if you trust your postal service
[14:46] Lewis Luminos: I think its a local issue here Jago / a dodgy postman or something
[14:46] Sharon Raynier: I'll have to look into that / I have a ton of books I don't really look at
[14:46] Jago Constantine: Yes well packages could be tempting
[14:46] Sharon Raynier: Where are you Lewis?
[14:46] Jago Constantine: I'm rather strict with my books
[14:47] Lewis Luminos: UK
[14:47] Jago Constantine: I look at them and say will I ever read this again? / Then I take them to the book exchange
[14:47] Lewis Luminos: I have plenty at home I've not read yet so I'm good for a while
[14:47] Sharon Raynier: book exchagne?
[14:47] Jago Constantine: Hi, Charr
[14:48] Sharon Raynier: Hi Charr!
[14:48] Jago Constantine: A store that buys and sells used books?
[14:48] charr Philter: Hello Jago / Hi Sharon
[14:48] Arii Arida: Hello all :))
[14:48] Jago Constantine: Hi, Arii, sorry I didn't notice you over there
[14:48] Sharon Raynier: The major place in my home which I need to declutter is my books / Hi Arii / I tend to hang on to them
[14:49] Jago Constantine: Yeah, books take up so much space so quickly / We've been talking about what we're reading at the moment / Arii, got anything good going?
[14:50] Lewis Luminos: hi Arii
[14:50] Jago Constantine: Nice sit pose, by the way
[14:50] Arii Arida: lol....oops
[14:50] Jago Constantine: No, I wasn't making fun, it looks cool
[14:50] Arii Arida: well...I just finished Greg Iles Footprints of God
[14:51] Jago Constantine: I haven't read anything by him / Is it good?
[14:51] Arii Arida: I liked it...was a fairly easy read.....scary waqht can happen with computers and mans ambition to rule the world
[14:52] Jago Constantine: Is it part of a series?
[14:52] Arii Arida: Dan Brown recomends this book / no
[14:52] Jago Constantine: I like Dan Brown a little / he's kind of sci fi too
[14:52] Arii Arida: right now I'm reading Deception Point / so far...it's pretty good
[14:53] Jago Constantine: Is that the meteorite one?
[14:53] Arii Arida: again...about science ect / yup
[14:53] Jago Constantine: I get it confused with Digital Fortress
[14:53] Arii Arida: dont tell me anthing
[14:53] Lewis Luminos: I like dan brown too :)
[14:53] Arii Arida: about the meterite,lol
[14:53] Jago Constantine: Technothrillers like that are really science fiction in the present :P / Hey, Charr, how about you? Reading anything good?
[14:54] Arii Arida: yes...I am a huge sci fi fan.....so I like that kind of read
[14:54] charr Philter: so are we camping?
[14:54] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:55] Sharon Raynier: Do two things at once / That would make sense - to have a club meeting at someone's camping bench lol
[14:55] Arii Arida: lol....I agree
[14:55] Jago Constantine: heh I think the good company is enough value without camping chairs :)
[14:55] Sharon Raynier: Absolutely
[14:56] Arii Arida: oh...you had to take the high road.lol
[14:56] Lewis Luminos: anyway in an hour you'd only make L$1, at the going rate
[14:56] charr Philter: so are we having a book club sit in?
[14:56] Sharon Raynier: My son found a Transformers avatar of the character "Bumblebee" here in 2nd life / He loves it / His hero is Tony Stark
[14:56] Jago Constantine: wow
[14:56] Sharon Raynier: of Ironman / Do you know the story?
[14:56] Lewis Luminos: heh Tony Stark is my hero too :)
[14:57] Jago Constantine: I actually have to run, folks / Thanks so much for coming
[14:57] Arii Arida: ok
[14:57] Lewis Luminos: aw ok
[14:57] Sharon Raynier: OK Jago - very nice to meet you
[14:57] Jago Constantine: I have a wedding to attend
[14:57] Lewis Luminos: It was fun
[14:57] Arii Arida: I'm sorry I was late
[14:57] Jago Constantine: Same time next week
[14:57] Lewis Luminos: have a good day Jago
[14:57] Jago Constantine: Search for science fiction in events
[14:57] Sharon Raynier: Congratulations to the Bride and Groom / Thanks Jago
[14:57] Arii Arida: I was at a Dr who event last night
[14:57] Sharon Raynier: Cool