23 January 2010: 'All You Zombies' by Robert A. Heinlein

[13:43] Eddi Haskell: hi im gonna get a sandwich :)
[13:43] Jago Constantine: ok
[13:52] Jago Constantine: Hey Sora :)
[13:53] Sora Bluebird: hello bosses
[13:53] Sora Bluebird: steram is already working and on
[13:53] Sora Bluebird: just waiting for your order
[13:53] Eddi Haskell: hi sora
[13:53] Sora Bluebird: hello eddi
[13:54] Jago Constantine: it was eddi's rez day yesterday sora :)
[13:55] Sora Bluebird: yes i know i told him cgs
[13:55] Garym Gartner: Hello
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: its a shame you cant eat cake in sl
[13:55] Eddi Haskell: hi garynn
[13:55] Jago Constantine: hey gary, welcome back!
[13:56] Jago Constantine: only four of the group are online
[13:56] Jago Constantine: lol
[13:57] Sora Bluebird: maybe they went to see the avatar
[13:57] Jago Constantine: lol
[13:57] Jago Constantine: I saw an Avatar avatar in SL
[13:57] Sora Bluebird: i was hited on by one
[13:57] Jago Constantine: have you seen it Eddi?
[13:57] Jago Constantine: It's fantastic
[13:57] Sora Bluebird: yes its very well made
[13:58] Jago Constantine: I bet furries love it lol
[13:58] Jago Constantine: Hi, DJudson, welcome :)
[13:59] Jago Constantine: Welcome, Jena :)
[13:59] DJudson Baran: HI ALL. I TO AM A FAN
[13:59] Jago Constantine: It's slow rezzing here
[13:59] Jena Delwood: hi
[13:59] Jago Constantine: Take a seat when you see one :)
[13:59] Jago Constantine: oh it might be occupied lol
[14:00] Garym Gartner: Is anyone here going to Boskone?
[14:00] Jago Constantine: I'm in Australia so no :P
[14:00] Garym Gartner: No, that would be a long trip for you. And I hear you've got a more local con coming up. :)
[14:00] Jago Constantine: Oh and if you can turn on your audio streams
[14:00] Jago Constantine: Because this meeting we're listening to a reading
[14:01] Jago Constantine: Podcast of All You Zombies, by Robert Heinlein ;)
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: so you put on multimedia and put music off?
[14:01] Jago Constantine: streaming music on
[14:01] Jago Constantine: media off
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: good
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: thats what i though
[14:01] Eddi Haskell: thought
[14:02] Garym Gartner: Getting music right now.
[14:02] Jago Constantine: we'll start the stream in a few minutes
[14:02] Jago Constantine: hmm I am getting nothing
[14:02] Jago Constantine: are you playing anything sora?
[14:02] Sora Bluebird: yes i am
[14:02] Jago Constantine: eep
[14:02] Sora Bluebird: its on
[14:02] Sora Bluebird: calm music going on
[14:02] Jago Constantine: ok classical music?
[14:02] Eddi Haskell: i hear classical type music
[14:02] Jago Constantine: cool :)
[14:03] Jago Constantine: now I hear it
[14:03] Jago Constantine: just had to stop and start
[14:03] Eddi Haskell: areyou supposed to hear classical music?
[14:03] Jago Constantine: yes
[14:03] Eddi Haskell: ok
[14:03] Sora Bluebird: untill he tells me to start ,yes :P
[14:04] Jago Constantine: So yes anyway Eddi - go see Avatar in 3D :)
[14:04] Eddi Haskell: yeah they have that in fort lauderdale
[14:05] Jago Constantine: maybe I'll make next meeting an avatar discussion meeting :)
[14:05] Jago Constantine: Ok Sora let's start
[14:05] Sora Bluebird: ok then
[14:06] Jago Constantine: This is from the Escape Pod podcast
[14:06] Garym Gartner: Grabbing my copy to read along
[14:06] Jago Constantine: cool
[14:07] Jago Constantine: are you all hearing it now?
[14:07] Garym Gartner: yes
[14:07] Eddi Haskell: :)
[14:07] DJudson Baran: VOLUMNEN LOW
[14:08] Jago Constantine: mine is ok
[14:08] Sora Bluebird: turn your volume on sl
[14:08] Jago Constantine: make sure your music volume slider is up
[14:09] Jago Constantine: hi folks, we just started the podcast
[14:12] Athena Maeterlinck: Ahh well that would explain why Its so quiet.
[14:13] Jago Constantine: we're listening to All You Zombies by RObert Heinlein
[14:14] Galena Qi: Man, am I having lag issues today.
[14:14] Jago Constantine: slow rezzing here
[14:28] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:31] Garym Gartner: We're listening to a podcast.
[14:31] Sora Bluebird: sure, why not! XD
[14:31] Garym Gartner: Sorry, IM response intended.
[14:38] Jago Constantine: Ok I think we can stop it thanks Sora :)
[14:39] Jago Constantine: What did you all think?
[14:39] Garym Gartner: It's always a fun story.
[14:39] Jago Constantine: Yes, I like it too
[14:39] DJudson Baran: i HAD FORGOTEN. i READ IT YEARS AGO
[14:40] Sora Bluebird: done jago
[14:40] Jago Constantine: Thanks!
[14:40] Sora Bluebird: you can change stream if ya like tough XD
[14:40] Jago Constantine: Its one of the ultimate time travel paradox stories
[14:40] Garym Gartner: The end still puzzles me. She/he seems to be saying nobody but her time-loop selves are real.
[14:41] Jago Constantine: Yes that kind of puzzles me too
[14:41] Jago Constantine: 'all you zombies'
[14:42] Garym Gartner: It's similar to another Heinlein story, "By His Bootstraps."
[14:42] DJudson Baran: VERY ENTERTAINING
[14:42] Jago Constantine: I'm not sure how likely it is that the character would so willingly seduce himself
[14:42] Jago Constantine: especially considering his own feelings of betrayal
[14:42] Garym Gartner: Yeah, that's a weak point.
[14:43] Jago Constantine: I suppose you're just supposed to accept that as part of the build-up
[14:43] Garym Gartner: Sex change was very rare then, now we're kind of used to it.
[14:43] DJudson Baran: KEEP POSTING THESE MEETINGS. I WILL BE BACK NEXT TIME
[14:43] Jago Constantine: Would you like an invitation to the group?
[14:43] Jago Constantine: oh missed him
[14:44] Garym Gartner: So what's next on the schedule?
[14:44] Jago Constantine: Well listening to the story and discussing it was all for this week :)
[14:44] Garym Gartner: I meant next time.
[14:44] Jago Constantine: Next week is a regular what-we've-been-reading meeting
[14:45] Garym Gartner: I'll see if I can make it; things are starting to get busy with Boskone prep.
[14:45] Jago Constantine: Sure
[14:45] Jago Constantine: Oh do you have any other time travel stories to recommend?
[14:45] Jago Constantine: My favourite is Sound of Thunder
[14:46] Garym Gartner: Hmm.. let me think. I don't know that one.
[14:46] Jago Constantine: A Sound of Thunder by Ray Bradbury
[14:46] Jago Constantine: The stepping on a butterfly one
[14:47] Garym Gartner: There's the world's shortest time travel story: "Grandpa shot first."
[14:47] Jago Constantine: lol
[14:47] Jago Constantine: http://www.lasalle.edu/~didio/courses/hon462/hon462_assets/sound_of_thunder.htm
[14:47] Jago Constantine: Here is an online version of Thunder
[14:48] Jago Constantine: Eddi you there?
[14:48] Eddi Haskell: yes
[14:48] Jago Constantine: did you like the story?
[14:48] Athena Maeterlinck: Yeah certainly not the best one out there but it may have been more impressive for its time
[14:48] Eddi Haskell: i coluld not figure it out
[14:48] Eddi Haskell: made no sense
[14:48] Eddi Haskell: but i liked the story
[14:49] Garym Gartner: Thanks for the link. The beginning of that reminds me of "A Gun for Dinosaur." De Camp, I think?
[14:49] Eddi Haskell: i would do better reading the story beforehand and then listening to it
[14:49] Jago Constantine: maybe so :)
[14:49] Garym Gartner: Yes, De Camp. Just checked.
[14:49] Jago Constantine: the main character is basically his own father and mother
[14:50] Garym Gartner: Ah. That's more like this story than Gun for Dinosaur, then?
[14:50] Jago Constantine: I was explaining Zombies to Eddi
[14:51] Eddi Haskell: oh i see
[14:52] Jago Constantine: he was born with male and female gonads
[14:52] Jago Constantine: raised in an orphanage as a girl
[14:52] Jago Constantine: falls pregnant
[14:52] Eddi Haskell: why is it science fiction?
[14:52] Jago Constantine: has a sex change and the baby is stolen
[14:52] Jago Constantine: he becomes a writer
[14:53] Garym Gartner: Time travel, odd biology ... I think those count as science fiction.
[14:53] Jago Constantine: then he's taken back in time as a male
[14:53] Jago Constantine: where he seduces his female self and gets her pregnant
[14:53] Eddi Haskell: oh wow
[14:53] Jago Constantine: he's picked up and brought forward in time to become a time agent
[14:54] Jago Constantine: as an older man he picks his writer self up and takes him to seduce his female self
[14:54] Jago Constantine: then he steals the baby
[14:54] Eddi Haskell: ah
[14:54] Jago Constantine: then he delivers it to the orphanage
[14:55] Jago Constantine: then he collects his seducer self and brings him to the time travel place
[14:55] Jago Constantine: the story finishes with him missing his one love
[14:56] Jago Constantine: himself :P
[14:56] Eddi Haskell: did you get this from listening to the recording?
[14:56] Eddi Haskell: thats commendable
[14:56] Eddi Haskell: lol
[14:56] Jago Constantine: hehe
[14:56] Jago Constantine: it was written in 1958
[14:56] Garym Gartner: I'm not really sure who "I miss you terribly" at the end refers to.
[14:57] Jago Constantine: I figured it was himself from his one known relationship
[14:57] Jago Constantine: or herself
[14:57] Garym Gartner: Then the "zombies" are his other selves? Maybe.
[14:57] Jago Constantine: no I still figure that's everyone not him
[14:58] Jago Constantine: I suppose ...
[14:58] Jago Constantine: ok maybe I'm over analysing it
[14:58] Garym Gartner: But that's the fun of it!
[14:58] Jago Constantine: but the zombies comment could be about the consciousness paradox
[14:58] Jago Constantine: the impossibility of knowing other mind
[14:58] Jago Constantine: minds
[14:58] Garym Gartner: I think it is, with either interpretation.
[14:59] Jago Constantine: he's in this self-enclosed loop
[14:59] Jago Constantine: where he creates himself
[14:59] Garym Gartner: That was true in "By His Bootstraps," too.
[14:59] Jago Constantine: he doesn't rely on the existence of anyone else to exist
[15:00] Jago Constantine: hmm not sure where I'm going with that
[15:01] Jago Constantine: Anwyay thanks for coming Gary and Eddi :)
[15:01] Jago Constantine: time for me to have breakfast
[15:01] Garym Gartner: We;ve got time travel right here. You're in Sunday, I'm in Saturday.
[15:01] Jago Constantine: lol
[15:01] Garym Gartner: See you later.
[15:02] Jago Constantine: cya next week maybe!